The "Future": Perceived vs. Reality
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@IRJ said:
It's tough to say for sure how the future will unfold. One thing is for sure, the human race will become lazier as a result.
I don't feel that way. Humans appear to becoming less lazy with each generation. Doing more, working more smartly. We are just shifting from manual labour to mental labour. We are living in one of the first eras where the youth routinely point to the laziness of the past rather than the opposite.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
It's tough to say for sure how the future will unfold. One thing is for sure, the human race will become lazier as a result.
I don't feel that way. Humans appear to becoming less lazy with each generation. Doing more, working more smartly. We are just shifting from manual labour to mental labour. We are living in one of the first eras where the youth routinely point to the laziness of the past rather than the opposite.
I see what you are saying, but our bodies are meant for manual labor. We are going to lose our roots if we aren't careful. Kids don't want to spend time away from technology anymore. We are all old enough to remember not being connected 24/7, but our children are not. It makes me sad to see young teens hang out and message each other on facebook while they are in the same room. I think it will be even worse for young teens 5-6 years from now. Those kids have had tablets in their hands since they were 2-3 years old.
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@IRJ I think you'll see a technology back-lash in a few years when those kids grow up and realize they don't want to carry a leash around with them all the time. I'd bet $20 on it happening in less than 2 decades.
Edit: Hell, I'm there already. I leave the damn thing at home when I'm not on call.
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@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ I think you'll see a technology back-lash in a few years when those kids grow up and realize they don't want to carry a leash around with them all the time. I'd bet $20 on it happening in less than 2 decades.
Edit: Hell, I'm there already. I leave the damn thing at home when I'm not on call.
There are just too many benefits to having your smartphone on you at all times. Especially for kids that don't know how else to entertain themselves. They don't seem to understand that everything you do online is recorded, either.
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@IRJ said:
There are just too many benefits to having your smartphone on you at all times. Especially for kids that don't know how else to entertain themselves. They don't seem to understand that everything you do online is recorded, either.
Kids never knew how else to entertain themselves. They used to just not be entertained.
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@MattSpeller said:
@IRJ I think you'll see a technology back-lash in a few years when those kids grow up and realize they don't want to carry a leash around with them all the time. I'd bet $20 on it happening in less than 2 decades.
It's never happened before. This would go against all of history. There was never a backlash against printing, telephones, television, etc. It would be unprecedented for it to happen with the Internet.
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@IRJ said:
I see what you are saying, but our bodies are meant for manual labor. We are going to lose our roots if we aren't careful.
If we aren't careful? Why would we be careful to make ourselves do manual labour?
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@IRJ said:
Kids don't want to spend time away from technology anymore.
When did they ever? This isn't new. Remember kids with phones in the 1960s?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
There are just too many benefits to having your smartphone on you at all times. Especially for kids that don't know how else to entertain themselves. They don't seem to understand that everything you do online is recorded, either.
Kids never knew how else to entertain themselves. They used to just not be entertained.
I used to go in the woods all day when I was kid. I'd also ride my bike 4 miles to fish, and I would just do some general exploring.
All the kids in my area did that kind of stuff and I'd assume all kids did something similar. I understand growing up in the city is a little different, but I believe those kids entertained themselves by playing sports or having different type of hobbies.
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@IRJ said:
It makes me sad to see young teens hang out and message each other on facebook while they are in the same room.
But why? They are still spending time together, communicating and sharing with even more people. I know adults love to hate this stuff, but what's the actual negative component to it? People are more social, more connected, more in touch than ever. I see it as wonderful. My kids will never face the loneliness and disconnected world we had no option but to face. Just like other advancements, our kids don't need to hunt for all of their own food or face a world without vaccinations. They can travel farther, faster, more safely. They can attend school and not be afraid of wild animals at night.
That we have improved our lot is not a bad thing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
Kids don't want to spend time away from technology anymore.
When did they ever? This isn't new. Remember kids with phones in the 1960s?
Yes, but the difference was that a landline wasn't portable. If you went to a restaurant or out in the woods, you didn't have the landline with you. The fact it's not portable and not tied to a location makes the effect that much worse...
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It's really tough to be a parent now. I have a young kid and I am trying to figure out how to introduce him to technology. I don't want him to be on a tablet all day, but I also don't want him to be behind either.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
It makes me sad to see young teens hang out and message each other on facebook while they are in the same room.
But why? They are still spending time together, communicating and sharing with even more people. I know adults love to hate this stuff, but what's the actual negative component to it? People are more social, more connected, more in touch than ever. I see it as wonderful. My kids will never face the loneliness and disconnected world we had no option but to face. Just like other advancements, our kids don't need to hunt for all of their own food or face a world without vaccinations. They can travel farther, faster, more safely. They can attend school and not be afraid of wild animals at night.
That we have improved our lot is not a bad thing.
But in an age where we are more connected than ever, we are also more disconnected than ever. People who are my age and younger may be able to fly on any given electronic device, but basic communication skills are being replaced by the ability to text and chat via IM. Pretty soon we'll live in a world where people can message someone on Facebook or text them, but put a group of people in a room together and tell them to "talk" and they'll have no idea what to do or how to interact like human beings. This is when the technology goes from being a tool as a benefit to something detrimental.
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@handsofqwerty said:
Yes, but the difference was that a landline wasn't portable. If you went to a restaurant or out in the woods, you didn't have the landline with you. The fact it's not portable and not tied to a location makes the effect that much worse...
Which made people often not go out. If you had to do anything important, like wait to hear about a job or a family member in the hospital or a kid that is out late you had to stay home.
Why is the effect "worse"? We keep using these terms based on the assumption that being connected to other people is bad. That having close friends, staying in communications and being social are all bad things. I realize that introverts hate having to be around people all of the time, but introverts can disconnect at will and extraverts can stay connected.
What drives the feeling of negativity towards advancement? Especially when it is optional?
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@IRJ said:
It's really tough to be a parent now. I have a young kid and I am trying to figure out how to introduce him to technology. I don't want him to be on a tablet all day, but I also don't want him to be behind either.
I prefer my kids be online to nearly anything else. More education, more interactivity, more friends, more socialization. Can't be the online thing, and it isn't, but SO glad that we have that instead of phones, television, radio, etc.
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@handsofqwerty said:
But in an age where we are more connected than ever, we are also more disconnected than ever.
That's just a trite statement that everyone says but no one backs up. We aren't more disconnected. That's just something grumpy old people say and forget that people never talked to each other as much as they do now. People just hate change.
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@handsofqwerty said:
People who are my age and younger may be able to fly on any given electronic device, but basic communication skills are being replaced by the ability to text and chat via IM.
I don't believe that there is any foundation for this. In what way could previous eras communicate better?
