Non-IT News Thread
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
just a simple proved fact.
You have proven nothing.
In fact, quite the opposite.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
I'm not just talking about the US
ahem...
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Dallas is an example,
I've given Mexico as an example multiple times. When someone says "not JUST talking about X" that means that they are talking about X plus other things.
That you point out that I am talking about X, as if that's different than what I just said, makes absolutely no sense.
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So here are the facts that we absolutely know and you can't say are conjecture....
- Not everyone can get tests.
- Tests are in limited supply.
- Testing availability isn't universal.
- Testing is not first come, first served.
- Tests are sometimes available, but refused.
- There are testing limits not set by availability.
- There are multiple nations with this situation that we know firsthand.
- The numbers reported in outlets are the testing numbers.
- Testing numbers are reported without also the required information about testing availability for those numbers to make them meaningful.
Zero conjecture. That's the whole thing. Point out where in that list of simple facts, ANYTHING is based on someone not liking doctors or making something up?
I think it's clear where the tinfoil hat is.
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We can argue and provide conjecture about why governments limit in the way that they do, or we can have conjecture about why the news doesn't make it clear that they are posting meaningless numbers. That would be conjecture. But that's not what we are discussing. We are discussing that they do those things, that's not conjecture, that's fact that you know.
You assume that by stating a fact that I must be implying something (but heaven only knows what) based on those facts. But I'm not. I'm stating the facts. The rest, you imagined.
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@scottalanmiller or, you can provide some kind of documented proof to any or all of your claims.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller or, you can provide some kind of documented proof to any or all of your claims.
Right, so we moved past that conjecture. Now you are asking me to prove the obvious because you are determined to believe in a conspiracy. So now it's clear it's obvious facts, so now you have to imply that I'm making them up because you don't like that they are true.
And of course, I can prove them. But they are common knowledge at this point. There is no proof that you won't just claim is a lie, or that it could be a lie.
The bottom line is, we have this argument all the time. You don't accept first hand evidence, because at the end of the day you always have to trust someone. If the ABC News' stating something isn't fact for you, and I understand that they can lie, then nothing is fact. Because that's all we'll ever get.
I've had clinics post on their websites, so this is straight from the doctors, that the government has forbidden testing. But if you don't believe the doctors, and I understand that with you wear the tinfoil hat you distrust everything, the problem becomes that there is no such thing as a fact.
So no, to you, I cannot prove it. To everyone else, there is nothing to prove. Because it's corroborated evidence from source after source that are known to be generally reliable news outlets that, especially when in concert, are expected to be very true. There is no evidence or logic to the contrary.
The problem is, you are using trickery to try to say that we can never know anything, so everything is always conjecture. That is exactly the definition of the tinfoil hate. You don't trust the doctors, the government, me, anyone.
I used this list of facts specifically, because there's nothing on it you can call into question without looking like a lunatic. It's all the unquestioned stuff from both sides. There's no partisanship, no conspiracy, no nothing. Just the basic facts that everyone accepts.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
You don't accept first hand evidence, because at the end of the day you always have to trust someone.
I believe any number of things you say as true. I believe that your cousin or whoever is having issues getting tested.
I do not believe, without any third party evidence,
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
the 500 city limit in Dallas.
Because prior to asking you to prove this statement, I searched for it myself.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
Except it isn't. Covid-19 exacerbates issues you already have, and you're going to see lungs get destroyed far more than the flu as though the subject were a smoker.
That's why you stay home if you are in the risk group....
Why should I go and randomly get tested? I am already staying in as much as possible.... whether you are infected or not, you stay home to NOT get infected, and you stay home to NOT infect others. It's super simple.
All a test will do is diagnose someone in the risk group so they can be cared for properly.
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Poland appears to be showing why testing matters... they need anyone, no matter the severity, that has it quarantined.
https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-app-coronavirus-patients-mandaotory-selfie-2020-3
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
You don't accept first hand evidence, because at the end of the day you always have to trust someone.
I believe any number of things you say as true. I believe that your cousin or whoever is having issues getting tested.
I do not believe, without any third party evidence,
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
the 500 city limit in Dallas.
Because prior to asking you to prove this statement, I searched for it myself.
"The city of Dallas said the limit is 250 tests per site per day, and County Judge Clay Jenkins said at a news conference Tuesday..."
There are two sites. Two times 250 is 500. County Judge Jenkins is basically a continuous live stream for everyone here because he's in charge during the state of emergency. We are getting it "from the news", but it's videos of the definitive source. So effectively straight from the horse's mouth, not even the news is interpreting it. 500 is the official number from the government direct to us.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
You don't accept first hand evidence, because at the end of the day you always have to trust someone.
I believe any number of things you say as true. I believe that your cousin or whoever is having issues getting tested.
I do not believe, without any third party evidence,
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
the 500 city limit in Dallas.
Because prior to asking you to prove this statement, I searched for it myself.
"The city of Dallas said the limit is 250 tests per site per day, and County Judge Clay Jenkins said at a news conference Tuesday..."
I like how you conveniently leave off the rest of that sentence that provides context on why the limit is currently 250.
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Japan's Virus Success Has Puzzled the World. Is Its Luck Running Out?
The country has not widely tested. Its people are going about their lives, even crowding into clubs that had previous outbreaks. But now Japan is warning of the risk of rampant infection.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
There's one with Stephen Curry and Dr. Anthony Fauci on Instagram too.
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@black3dynamite the one I posted was less than an hour old.
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Coronavirus: Deaths rise sharply in Spain while infection rate stabilises
Spain has seen a sharp rise in the number of deaths caused by coronavirus but the rate of new infections is stabilising, officials say.
Confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, rose to 64,059, a 14% increase compared with 18% a day earlier and 20% on Wednesday. In 24 hours, 769 people died, a daily record, taking the total to 4,858. Nursing home residents are particularly affected. Spain is Europe's second-worst-hit country after Italy. The Spanish government has extended the state of emergency until at least 12 April. People's movement are severely restricted and most shops and businesses closed. The latest figures raised hopes that the measures were beginning to take effect. Health emergency chief Fernando Simón said they showed a "clear stabilisation" and that it seemed they were "approaching the long-awaited peak". -
Coronavirus: More than 900 deaths in a day in Italy
Italy has recorded 969 new coronavirus deaths, its highest daily figure in the outbreak so far.
It means 9,134 people have now died from the virus in the country. Earlier World Health Organization chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said a "chronic global shortage" of protective equipment was one of the "most urgent threats" to the ability to save lives. Italy is the worst-affected in Europe. Almost everything has been closed and people told to stay at home. Earlier on Friday, authorities warned that restrictions were likely to be extended beyond 3 April. -
'Extraordinary' recovery: 101-year-old Italian man with COVID-19 was released from the hospital
A medical worker wearing a protective mask and suit treats novel coronavirus patients in Italy.
A 101-year-old Italian man has recovered from COVID-19 and his city's deputy mayor said the story provides "hope for the future," CNN reported. Gloria Lisi told reporters the man, identified as Mr. P., had an "extraordinary" recovery. "Mr. P. made it. The family brought him home yesterday evening," CNN reported Lisi saying. "To teach us that even at 101 years the future is not written." -
Lightfoot: Stay-at-home order likely to last ‘deep into April’
Mayor says the final call will be made by Gov. J.B. Pritzker. But his staff is “looking at similar data to what we are.”
The statewide stay-at-home order is likely to continue “deep into April,” Mayor Lori Lightfoot said Friday, but the final call will be made by Gov. J.B. Pritzker.
The governor’s order is scheduled to expire April 7. So does his statewide order that closed all public and private schools. Lightfoot has ordered Chicago Public Schools closed through April 20.
In a conference call with reporters Friday, the mayor was asked whether she has had any discussions with Pritzker about extending the stay-at-home order.
“I don’t want to get ahead of the governor and his team. You’ve seen what we’ve done here in Chicago with schools, with the order that we issued yesterday [shutting down the lakefront and other public gathering places], which is unending until further notice,” the mayor said.
“I think, realistically, we’re looking at something that’s gonna stretch deep into April. ... The governor’s team are very able. They’re looking at similar data to what we are. And I’m sure that is a conversation that is probably under active discussion.”
