CloudatCost OpenDNS Issue
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
$120 a year for MS on Rackspace, etc? that seems like a bargain compared to actually buying a license.
Not really. And I'm estimating, but it is close to that. But consider that a Standard license gets you two VMs "forever" for ~$700. On RS it is $120/yr. Figure a five year lifespan you are paying $1,200 on RS compared to $700 direct. But you get SA equivalent with built in updates and you only pay for what you use. So it balances out well. No way to do apples to apples.
Great points, but the built in SA type updates is where I figure you're coming out ahead, Windows Server with SA is close to $1200 for the first 3 years, and another $350+ for every three years after that.
Maybe it's just government but MS has always giving us SA for the first 3 years with any purchase. I've only had to pay after that for SA.
For the $700 price?
Pricing is slighting better. I always buy volume through Open Licences. Doesn't include any CALs though. Although I think that stopped including any cals in all 2012 versions.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
$120 a year for MS on Rackspace, etc? that seems like a bargain compared to actually buying a license.
Not really. And I'm estimating, but it is close to that. But consider that a Standard license gets you two VMs "forever" for ~$700. On RS it is $120/yr. Figure a five year lifespan you are paying $1,200 on RS compared to $700 direct. But you get SA equivalent with built in updates and you only pay for what you use. So it balances out well. No way to do apples to apples.
Great points, but the built in SA type updates is where I figure you're coming out ahead, Windows Server with SA is close to $1200 for the first 3 years, and another $350+ for every three years after that.
Maybe it's just government but MS has always giving us SA for the first 3 years with any purchase. I've only had to pay after that for SA.
For the $700 price?
Pricing is slighting better. I always buy volume through Open Licences. Doesn't include any CALs though. Although I think that stopped including any cals in all 2012 versions.
I'm sure you're right that it's gov't pricing.
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@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
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@Aaron-Studer said:
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
As long as it was valid when you acquired it (student at the time) you can use it now. His use of Dreamspark is fine (I double checked.) It's the use on a cloud like this that is not.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Because the can garnish your wages for life, it's still very worth it to them.
Not in Texas. Or Pennsylvania or North/South Carolina.
And not for life, because all it takes is a nice simple Chapter 7 to blow it all away. Even filing 13 would get rid of it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
As long as it was valid when you acquired it (student at the time) you can use it now. His use of Dreamspark is fine (I double checked.) It's the use on a cloud like this that is not.
Yep I still use my old ones granted they are very old at this point.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Because the can garnish your wages for life, it's still very worth it to them.
Not in Texas. Or Pennsylvania or North/South Carolina.
And not for life, because all it takes is a nice simple Chapter 7 to blow it all away. Even filing 13 would get rid of it.
Filling for bankruptcy will get you turned down for almost any job that does any kind of background or credit check. which all mine have. But after you file the judge will later hold a court case to determine whether you still have to pay or not.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Because the can garnish your wages for life, it's still very worth it to them.
Not in Texas. Or Pennsylvania or North/South Carolina.
And not for life, because all it takes is a nice simple Chapter 7 to blow it all away. Even filing 13 would get rid of it.
Filling for bankruptcy will get you turned down for almost any job that does any kind of background or credit check. which all mine have. But after you file the judge will later hold a court case to determine whether you still have to pay or not.
Considering it drops off the ol' credit report after 10 years, not a big problem there. And if a company is that crazed that they will never consider anyone who had a BK ever, then maybe that's not a place to work. Other than financial companies, never heard of a BK being a barrier of entry for most F500 companies.
If you are insolvent, you can't get blood from a rock. Chapter 7 blows it away. 13, which most would be steered towards, would take the judgement into consideration and determine if they deserve more than other unsecured creditors. But it would most certainly be less than the full judgement. It's sometimes in their interest to get one hundred bucks today because they are gonna have a problem getting $100K in the next ten years.
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@PSX_Defector said:
Considering it drops off the ol' credit report after 10 years, not a big problem there. And if a company is that crazed that they will never consider anyone who had a BK ever, then maybe that's not a place to work. Other than financial companies, never heard of a BK being a barrier of entry for most F500 companies.
Every IT job I know of consider it an issue. Since we could easily get to the companies money as we have access to everything. Maybe for very small SMBs they don't care or for non IT. Even for sales folks it usually matters as they need company credit cards to buy meals for clients. And IT guys usually need Credit Cards as well to buy things.
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This post made my day. I needed something to lift my spirits.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Every IT job I know of consider it an issue. Since we could easily get to the companies money as we have access to everything. Maybe for very small SMBs they don't care or for non IT. Even for sales folks it usually matters as they need company credit cards to buy meals for clients. And IT guys usually need Credit Cards as well to buy things.
I've been mostly in financial for a long time, but they definitely all do it, even for contractors.
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However, students who have received software under the DreamSpark Subscription may continue to use such software when they are no longer students provided that they do so in accordance with these terms.
Ok, so you can still use it.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@PSX_Defector said:
Considering it drops off the ol' credit report after 10 years, not a big problem there. And if a company is that crazed that they will never consider anyone who had a BK ever, then maybe that's not a place to work. Other than financial companies, never heard of a BK being a barrier of entry for most F500 companies.
Every IT job I know of consider it an issue. Since we could easily get to the companies money as we have access to everything. Maybe for very small SMBs they don't care or for non IT. Even for sales folks it usually matters as they need company credit cards to buy meals for clients. And IT guys usually need Credit Cards as well to buy things.
That right there is grade A crack.
I've worked with plenty of folks in IT who had BKs, big companies too. I know plenty of sales drones who have had BKs. If you work for people who are so paranoid that they are afraid that they are gonna get taken by someone who had most likely medical bills, they are in for a sad awaking when they do get swindled. All because they thought they hired safe folks they instead didn't follow proper procedures and such, allowing a sales drone to have free reign over the Amex account.
Again, if they are that nuts, it's not a place I would want to work.
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@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
So if a company won't hire you over lack morals and ethics it's just stupid. Hmm.. Well McDonalds will hire without ethics.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
So if a company won't hire you over lack morals and ethics it's just stupid. Hmm.. Well McDonalds will hire without ethics.
It's about being reasonable. I'm using a Dreamspark key, which is legitimate, for my own personal educational purposes. I did not pirate the key. So I'm using it on a cloud server. Oooohhhhh, big whoop. If a company really wanted to dig deep enough into my world to find that out, AND make an issue out of it, they can take any job they have and stick it. Not worth it to me to work for a company that digs that deep into your life.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
So if a company won't hire you over lack morals and ethics it's just stupid. Hmm.. Well McDonalds will hire without ethics.
I am a firm believer in being moral and ethical. However, where there are rules, there are reasonable ways to bend said rules. I didn't torrent my key or even my ISO. All that is legit. The fact I'm using it on a hosted platform may violate the letter of the licensing agreement, but not the spirit. It's datacenter but I'm not running Hyper-V on it or hosting other machines. You really want to get all over me for doing this with one VM over a pretty minor technicality? Also, it's not a business. As I've said, if this was a business environment, I would following the licensing to the T. Not worth the risk to do otherwise. But in this case, with this server, and because it's not in a business environment, who cares?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
So if a company won't hire you over lack morals and ethics it's just stupid. Hmm.. Well McDonalds will hire without ethics.
It's about being reasonable. I'm using a Dreamspark key, which is legitimate, for my own personal educational purposes. I did not pirate the key. So I'm using it on a cloud server. Oooohhhhh, big whoop. If a company really wanted to dig deep enough into my world to find that out, AND make an issue out of it, they can take any job they have and stick it. Not worth it to me to work for a company that digs that deep into your life.
It's not legitimate for the use you used it it does not matter that the key is valid.
You obliviously don't realize how good SEO is and that any company will think this means you don't care about terms, laws etc. and will do the same on their own network. I'm curious of what @Minion-Queen would think of a employee or potential employee posting they don't care about violating licensing terms, pirating etc on a public forum.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
So if a company won't hire you over lack morals and ethics it's just stupid. Hmm.. Well McDonalds will hire without ethics.
It's about being reasonable. I'm using a Dreamspark key, which is legitimate, for my own personal educational purposes. I did not pirate the key. So I'm using it on a cloud server. Oooohhhhh, big whoop. If a company really wanted to dig deep enough into my world to find that out, AND make an issue out of it, they can take any job they have and stick it. Not worth it to me to work for a company that digs that deep into your life.
It's not legitimate for the use you used it it does not matter that the key is valid.
You obliviously don't realize how good SEO is and that any company will think this means you don't care about terms, laws etc. and will do the same on their own network. I'm curious of what @Minion-Queen would think of a employee or potential employee posting they don't care about violating licensing terms, pirating etc on a public forum.
Ok, violating licensing terms is not equal to pirating. I don't agree with that.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Not worth the risk to do otherwise. But in this case, with this server, and because it's not in a business environment, who cares?
Microsoft does, else they would have made an exemption clause for educational use. They did not.
