Windows 10
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@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
One thought on the 'free' or maybe free side is that MS is dropping major releases after Windows 10. From now on they'll be mini updates more akin to what Apple is doing. I think the idea is that you get on a subscription plan.
I'm not really sure how that will work.
You mean a program for OSes similar to Office365, as far as a model?
I think just meaning that they will go to rolling updates rather than huge releases. So more like Fedora, less like RHEL.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
One thought on the 'free' or maybe free side is that MS is dropping major releases after Windows 10. From now on they'll be mini updates more akin to what Apple is doing. I think the idea is that you get on a subscription plan.
I'm not really sure how that will work.
You mean a program for OSes similar to Office365, as far as a model?
I think just meaning that they will go to rolling updates rather than huge releases. So more like Fedora, less like RHEL.
They are going to have to earn money on it somehow.
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@Dashrender said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
One thought on the 'free' or maybe free side is that MS is dropping major releases after Windows 10. From now on they'll be mini updates more akin to what Apple is doing. I think the idea is that you get on a subscription plan.
I'm not really sure how that will work.
You mean a program for OSes similar to Office365, as far as a model?
This is what they are talking about on Windows Weekly.
That'd be an interesting way to do it. Now, if they can roll-out major releases as an upgrade, so I can do a Windows Updates and go from 8.1 to 10, for example, I'd be willing to do that, I think.
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@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
One thought on the 'free' or maybe free side is that MS is dropping major releases after Windows 10. From now on they'll be mini updates more akin to what Apple is doing. I think the idea is that you get on a subscription plan.
I'm not really sure how that will work.
You mean a program for OSes similar to Office365, as far as a model?
This is what they are talking about on Windows Weekly.
That'd be an interesting way to do it. Now, if they can roll-out major releases as an upgrade, so I can do a Windows Updates and go from 8.1 to 10, for example, I'd be willing to do that, I think.
That's exactly what Paul Thurrott was proposing.. and looks like it actually already exists.
If you sign up for Windows 10, but don't download it.. while you're logged into your windows 7 machine (and the same MS account that you signed up to Windows 10 with) you'll see an option to install an important update called Windows 10.
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@Dashrender said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
One thought on the 'free' or maybe free side is that MS is dropping major releases after Windows 10. From now on they'll be mini updates more akin to what Apple is doing. I think the idea is that you get on a subscription plan.
I'm not really sure how that will work.
You mean a program for OSes similar to Office365, as far as a model?
This is what they are talking about on Windows Weekly.
That'd be an interesting way to do it. Now, if they can roll-out major releases as an upgrade, so I can do a Windows Updates and go from 8.1 to 10, for example, I'd be willing to do that, I think.
That's exactly what Paul Thurrott was proposing.. and looks like it actually already exists.
If you sign up for Windows 10, but don't download it.. while you're logged into your windows 7 machine (and the same MS account that you signed up to Windows 10 with) you'll see an option to install an important update called Windows 10.
That'd be amazing. That'd make upgrading systems so much easier!
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@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
@Dominica Just make sure that if you're creating a bootable USB for it, make absolutely certain that it's formatted NTFS.
OH? I thought UEFI couldn't boot from NTFS for installation?
That's a new one on me.
They recommend you use NTFS.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
@Dominica Just make sure that if you're creating a bootable USB for it, make absolutely certain that it's formatted NTFS.
OH? I thought UEFI couldn't boot from NTFS for installation?
That's a new one on me.
They recommend you use NTFS.
That makes more sense. Not sure what else you'd use...FAT32 doesn't make sense, and outside of that, what, ext?
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
@Dominica Just make sure that if you're creating a bootable USB for it, make absolutely certain that it's formatted NTFS.
OH? I thought UEFI couldn't boot from NTFS for installation?
That's a new one on me.
They recommend you use NTFS.
Do you get a choice? It's an ISO. ISO is the filesystem. You can't use NTFS.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
@ajstringham said:
@Dashrender said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
@Dominica Just make sure that if you're creating a bootable USB for it, make absolutely certain that it's formatted NTFS.
OH? I thought UEFI couldn't boot from NTFS for installation?
That's a new one on me.
They recommend you use NTFS.
Do you get a choice? It's an ISO. ISO is the filesystem. You can't use NTFS.
Bootloaders such as WinISO, UnetBootIn, and Rufus all allow you to choose the file system.
By default, they use FAT32 -
@scottalanmiller Yeah, we're talking about bootable flash drives, not discs.
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@ajstringham said:
@scottalanmiller Yeah, we're talking about bootable flash drives, not discs.
Does that change things? You can put NTFS on a disc or ISO on a USB. But the ISO images that are copied down are images - the filesystem is part of it.
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@Mike-Ralston Why do they modify the filesystem?
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@scottalanmiller A PC can't read an ISO from a USB as a bootable file, you have to pull it apart into another format.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@scottalanmiller A PC can't read an ISO from a USB as a bootable file, you have to pull it apart into another format.
Ah, you are right. The Windows 7 USB utility (the one right from Microsoft) puts NTFS onto the USB. It does a file system conversion of the ISO. How bizarre.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Mike-Ralston said:
@scottalanmiller A PC can't read an ISO from a USB as a bootable file, you have to pull it apart into another format.
Ah, you are right. The Windows 7 USB utility (the one right from Microsoft) puts NTFS onto the USB. It does a file system conversion of the ISO. How bizarre.
So far as I know, that's the only way to do it at BIOS level with a USB?
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@scottalanmiller Rufus has become one of my new favorite utilities for creating bootable USB drives, for the very reason that @Mike-Ralston explained.
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Correct - to install from a USB stick you have to use a utility to pull the ISO apart and put it on the USB.
You can't use the Windows 7 USB maker tool because it only creates a NTFS filesystem on the USB Stick.
If you are booting from UEFI mode (not legacy mode), you must use FAT32 as UEFI won't boot from NTFS.
During the install the boot partition is 300 megs of FAT32, and the system partition is NTFS.
Believe me I know - I spent 6-8 hours digging around trying to figure out why I couldn't get Win8 on my new Thinkpad Yoga S1.
In the end I used Rufus, pointed to the ISO (which changes the default from FAT32 to NTFS), then change it back to FAT32 - click make drive - done.
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@Dashrender said:
Correct - to install from a USB stick you have to use a utility to pull the ISO apart and put it on the USB.
You can't use the Windows 7 USB maker tool because it only creates a NTFS filesystem on the USB Stick.
If you are booting from UEFI mode (not legacy mode), you must use FAT32 as UEFI won't boot from NTFS.
During the install the boot partition is 300 megs of FAT32, and the system partition is NTFS.
Believe me I know - I spent 6-8 hours digging around trying to figure out why I couldn't get Win8 on my new Thinkpad Yoga S1.
In the end I used Rufus, pointed to the ISO (which changes the default from FAT32 to NTFS), then change it back to FAT32 - click make drive - done.
That seems really odd.
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@Dashrender said:
If you are booting from UEFI mode (not legacy mode), you must use FAT32 as UEFI won't boot from NTFS.
I haven't had this issue, I can boot from UEFI into a NTFS configured drive. Possibly a special UEFI designed around that, I have no idea.
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@Mike-Ralston said:
@Dashrender said:
If you are booting from UEFI mode (not legacy mode), you must use FAT32 as UEFI won't boot from NTFS.
I haven't had this issue, I can boot from UEFI into a NTFS configured drive. Possibly a special UEFI designed around that, I have no idea.
Exactly.
The UEFI specification explicitly requires support for FAT32 for EFI System partitions (ESPs), and FAT16 or FAT12 for removable media;[20]:section 12.3 specific implementations may support other file systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Disk_device_compatibility
