Women and Raises
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@scottalanmiller You speak blashphemy!
In the era of ousting people for stupid comments I'm just surprised it hasn't happened to him yet. There's a movement out there to keep people thinking that they are being oppressed every waking moment of every day. Nursing for example is a female dominated role just as IT is a male dominated one. I just don't hear of male nurses saying they are being mistreated or under paid.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
I just don't hear of male nurses saying they are being mistreated or under paid.
Do men every complain about that? One of the often noted differences is in how the genders react to inequality. Men are noted for fighting more strongly and changing jobs or taking strong action when issues are noted. It's often shown that it is believed that a big piece of the inequality comes from the reaction to issues.
For example, if women normally ask for raises and poison the well but stay, and men normally wait to see if they get raises and take a lateral move to another firm with a big raise instead, we get the inequality potential through normal but response.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller You speak blashphemy!
In the era of ousting people for stupid comments I'm just surprised it hasn't happened to him yet. There's a movement out there to keep people thinking that they are being oppressed every waking moment of every day. Nursing for example is a female dominated role just as IT is a male dominated one. I just don't hear of male nurses saying they are being mistreated or under paid.
Part of it is just them saying it is why the are paid lower just because they can. Most men & women I know who are in the same field make about the same, heck I even know a few girls with less experience who make more than men.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Yes, asking for a raise, especially in an SMB, is very often a trigger for bad things. It implies a disconnect between your expectations and theirs. Once you have to ask for a raise, you are set the wheels in motion for things to end. Might take a while, but that thought is in play. Asking for a raise means that you both know that you don't agree on the overall value of things and it suggests that it might get worse, not better (but does not actually mean that.)
I've always asked for raises when I've felt I deserved them, and I've always got them. I've never just expected them to happen without my prompting. My bosses have no idea how much I'm worth, and frankly, neither do I. From time to time I might research the market and conclude I'm a little underpaid and that's when I'll let them know. They will then also research the market and hopefully come to the same conclusions. Then we'll both agree that I deserve a raise. There is no disconnect and no disagreement.
Some of my colleagues have never asked for a raise and instead bitch and whine about how underpaid they are. My view is, don't ask, don't get. Or as they say in the North-East of England, "shy bairns get nowt".
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@scottalanmiller My jaw dropped when I heard that guy say that. Why does he still have a job? If it were any place else people would be calling for his head!
I find this one of those annoying examples where because someone is an expert in one field (running an IT company) they are asked for their opinion on another field (HR). The guy clearly hasn't a clue on whether or not women should ask for a raise, not least because he's not a woman and it's been a very long time since he was in a normal job. He knows about as much as me, but no-one would ever ask my opinion, or take my answer in the least bit seriously.
When "business leaders" are asked questions like this I wish they'd just answer "No idea - not my field. Why don't you ask an expert?"
I find it part of the culture where we worship the rich and powerful and seek their opinion on everything and I hate it.
