Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices
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Anyone seen this newer Volume Management Device BIOS/UEFI feature on newer machine?
Several of the new HP's I've purchased have this option and it's enabled by default - and when you try to install an image on it- the storage isn't seen by the system.
VMD requires the use of Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver - aka fake RAID. -
@dashrender said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
VMD requires the use of Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver - aka fake RAID.
Dell uses AHCI in RAID mode which causes similar issues with some boot media.
I always disable it when I get a new laptop.
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@dashrender said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
Anyone seen this newer Volume Management Device BIOS/UEFI feature on newer machine?
Several of the new HP's I've purchased have this option and it's enabled by default - and when you try to install an image on it- the storage isn't seen by the system.
VMD requires the use of Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver - aka fake RAID.That's not entirely correct. VMD is a NVMe hardware controller (secondary PCIe host bridge) that sits inside newer CPUs, starting with Intel's Scalable. It adds hotplug for NVMe, LED support and support for OS independent NVMe software RAID (Intel VROC). It also allows you to connect more NVMe drives to the CPU.
To use it you need a device driver. Just like everything else.
The BIOS has a UEFI driver embedded so it can boot.
Then the OS needs a driver as well. If your image doesn't have a vmd compatible driver it will not see the device.Intel RST is a whole bundle of things. But what is needed on Windows I think is the Intel RSTe NVMe UEFI driver. Intel has a tendency to intertwine their software, hardware and drivers in a big mess.
On linux you have the vmd module in the kernel. ESXi also have drivers.
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@dashrender said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
VMD requires the use of Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver - aka fake RAID.
IRS includes fake RAID, but is itself a driver that does more than just that. So just having IRS does not guarantee that you also have fake RAID. You should be wary of it, but it also can present an interface to other storage.
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@pete-s said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
Intel RST is a whole bundle of things.
This is what I was saying. Yeah, it's a large package with fake RAID as just one part of the code, that is often what people use it for, but not necessarily. Doesn't sound like it in this case.
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@jaredbusch said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
@dashrender said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
VMD requires the use of Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver - aka fake RAID.
Dell uses AHCI in RAID mode which causes similar issues with some boot media.
I always disable it when I get a new laptop.
Once I realized what was happening - I recalled disabling it a month or so ago.. but it's not frequent enough that I remembered this time.
Now that I've made a post and dug into it more, I'll be more likely to remember it for the future.
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@pete-s said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
@dashrender said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
Anyone seen this newer Volume Management Device BIOS/UEFI feature on newer machine?
Several of the new HP's I've purchased have this option and it's enabled by default - and when you try to install an image on it- the storage isn't seen by the system.
VMD requires the use of Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver - aka fake RAID.That's not entirely correct. VMD is a NVMe hardware controller (secondary PCIe host bridge) that sits inside newer CPUs, starting with Intel's Scalable. It adds hotplug for NVMe, LED support and support for OS independent NVMe software RAID (Intel VROC). It also allows you to connect more NVMe drives to the CPU.
To use it you need a device driver. Just like everything else.
The BIOS has a UEFI driver embedded so it can boot.
Then the OS needs a driver as well. If your image doesn't have a vmd compatible driver it will not see the device.Intel RST is a whole bundle of things. But what is needed on Windows I think is the Intel RSTe NVMe UEFI driver. Intel has a tendency to intertwine their software, hardware and drivers in a big mess.
On linux you have the vmd module in the kernel. ESXi also have drivers.
How is any of that really useful on a laptop? very few is any have multiple NMVe slots.
I do see that it appears they are combining the NMVe and the Optane stuff...
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@scottalanmiller said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
@pete-s said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
Intel RST is a whole bundle of things.
This is what I was saying. Yeah, it's a large package with fake RAID as just one part of the code, that is often what people use it for, but not necessarily. Doesn't sound like it in this case.
yeah - once in the OS, Windows 10, Windows 10 automagically downloads some Intel Optane stuff - and it appears they are linked - I need to dig more into it.
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@pete-s said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
On linux you have the vmd module in the kernel. ESXi also have drivers.
Damnit - it's been awesome for several years with Windows 10 where no external drivers were needed during install because they were all baked into the default ISO... since the VMD stuff has been around since 2018 (though only in laptops since Gen 11 Intel Core processors) I really wish MS would include it in new ISOs.
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@dashrender said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
@pete-s said in Volume Management Device (VMD) on HP devices:
On linux you have the vmd module in the kernel. ESXi also have drivers.
Damnit - it's been awesome for several years with Windows 10 where no external drivers were needed during install because they were all baked into the default ISO... since the VMD stuff has been around since 2018 (though only in laptops since Gen 11 Intel Core processors) I really wish MS would include it in new ISOs.
Maybe Windows 11 has it....there is always hope at the horizon.
