Video editing - suggestions
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@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
@scottalanmiller said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
@scottalanmiller said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
The reality here is that there is zero for thought going into this build. Buzz words have been heard, and so there is a belief that they must do it, otherwise they will fall behind - total Millennial syndrome here.
Millenials would do this with a Super 8 camera.
I don't know what that means.
You don't remember super 8 cameras from when you were a kid? That was the only way to video anything in consumer worlds when we were young.
No, we were not a video recording family.
Yeah but... this was the culture of the first decade of your life. Like... this has been in pop culture for most of the century. There's a pop movie even called Super 8. They are used in tons and tons of movies, shows, etc. It's like not remembering VHS. Before VHS, Super 8 was even how you rented movies for home viewing!
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@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Pete-S said in Video editing - suggestions:
It feels like an odd combination of 4K, home video software and professional equipment.
There are many questions that need to be answered. For starters what camera is going to be used. It's a big deal because it can determine if and how premier elements can handle it. It also determines storage needs and cpu/gpu needs.
You also need to think about audio. A video editing rig needs decent monitors (aka speakers).
I would call someone like B&H who sells pro video (and not so pro) to see help you out.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Professional-Video/ci/3755/N/4294545851The budget set for this is $600 * 2 for the monitors (because he wants the same as before) and $1000 for a PC. The camera will be more, but yeah, who knows.
This whole thing is just a nightmare.
There is NO CHANCE IN HELL he'll pay to hire some company to put a system together for this. He's already paying my salary - so my time is the most he's willing to spend.
Yeah, I get you. Well, since there are no parameters to go after except the price, it would make sense to base the specs on the price and get something as decent as possible.
Even though a tech channel, these guys shoot a lot of video for their channel so know what they're talking about.
If there turns out to be money in the budget, get a pair of audio monitors. I suggest the Mackie CR4. They're about $130 or so. Obviously not in the same class as real studio monitors that cost 20x as much but they will make the guy very happy.
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@scottalanmiller said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
@scottalanmiller said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
@scottalanmiller said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
The reality here is that there is zero for thought going into this build. Buzz words have been heard, and so there is a belief that they must do it, otherwise they will fall behind - total Millennial syndrome here.
Millenials would do this with a Super 8 camera.
I don't know what that means.
You don't remember super 8 cameras from when you were a kid? That was the only way to video anything in consumer worlds when we were young.
No, we were not a video recording family.
Yeah but... this was the culture of the first decade of your life. Like... this has been in pop culture for most of the century. There's a pop movie even called Super 8. They are used in tons and tons of movies, shows, etc. It's like not remembering VHS. Before VHS, Super 8 was even how you rented movies for home viewing!
Of course I've heard of it - but that's all, I know literally nothing else about it. I probably watched some educational films made on it in school, ages ago, but that was the beginning and end of my exposure.
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@Pete-S said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Pete-S said in Video editing - suggestions:
It feels like an odd combination of 4K, home video software and professional equipment.
There are many questions that need to be answered. For starters what camera is going to be used. It's a big deal because it can determine if and how premier elements can handle it. It also determines storage needs and cpu/gpu needs.
You also need to think about audio. A video editing rig needs decent monitors (aka speakers).
I would call someone like B&H who sells pro video (and not so pro) to see help you out.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Professional-Video/ci/3755/N/4294545851The budget set for this is $600 * 2 for the monitors (because he wants the same as before) and $1000 for a PC. The camera will be more, but yeah, who knows.
This whole thing is just a nightmare.
There is NO CHANCE IN HELL he'll pay to hire some company to put a system together for this. He's already paying my salary - so my time is the most he's willing to spend.
Yeah, I get you. Well, since there are no parameters to go after except the price, it would make sense to base the specs on the price and get something as decent as possible.
Even though a tech channel, these guys shoot a lot of video for their channel so know what they're talking about.
If there turns out to be money in the budget, get a pair of audio monitors. I suggest the Mackie CR4. They're about $130 or so. Obviously not in the same class as real studio monitors that cost 20x as much but they will make the guy very happy.
oh man.. that guy is such a tool!
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@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
oh man.. that guy is such a tool!
No kidding, I'd avoid anything he demonstrates or uses. He is just a showcase of how not to do things and what not to buy. If it's on his show, it's not something you want to touch.
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@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
oh man.. that guy is such a tool!
Not my cup of tea either but it doesn't matter. They shoot a lot of video and you can see them scrubbing and doing stuff on the 4K video stream and that is what you want. Looks like they are using Adobe Premiere Pro so should be similar performance with elements. Pro is $20 per month I think so not too bad if one would need more features down the line.
Performance on the hardware is decent enough but not awesome so it's not more than needed. Budget is $1000 which is what you had too. If you want to build or buy doesn't matter but this is the ballpark to aim for:
- CPU 6-core 3.6Ghz base, 4.2Ghz turbo.
- 16GB RAM
- 0.5TB NVMe SSD
- 3TB HDD
- Nvidia GTX 1650 4GB
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@Pete-S said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
oh man.. that guy is such a tool!
Not my cup of tea either but it doesn't matter. They shoot a lot of video and you can see them scrubbing and doing stuff on the 4K video stream and that is what you want. Looks like they are using Adobe Premiere Pro so should be similar performance with elements. Pro is $20 per month I think so not too bad if one would need more features down the line.
Performance on the hardware is decent enough but not awesome so it's not more than needed. Budget is $1000 which is what you had too. If you want to build or buy doesn't matter but this is the ballpark to aim for:
- CPU 6-core 3.6Ghz base, 4.2Ghz turbo.
- 16GB RAM
- 0.5TB NVMe SSD
- 3TB HDD
- Nvidia GTX 1650 4GB
Thanks! I haven't had time to watch the video yet.
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@Pete-S said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Dashrender said in Video editing - suggestions:
oh man.. that guy is such a tool!
Not my cup of tea either but it doesn't matter. They shoot a lot of video and you can see them scrubbing and doing stuff on the 4K video stream and that is what you want. Looks like they are using Adobe Premiere Pro so should be similar performance with elements. Pro is $20 per month I think so not too bad if one would need more features down the line.
Performance on the hardware is decent enough but not awesome so it's not more than needed. Budget is $1000 which is what you had too. If you want to build or buy doesn't matter but this is the ballpark to aim for:
- CPU 6-core 3.6Ghz base, 4.2Ghz turbo.
- 16GB RAM
- 0.5TB NVMe SSD
- 3TB HDD
- Nvidia GTX 1650 4GB
That's around about what we picked up for $620 last year from Dell. Add in Windows Pro upgrade and an extra NVMe drive and you'd still be well under $1K.
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@Pete-S those little Mackie monitors are pretty sweet for the price. I'm looking at adding a pair to the current recording studio setup (or maybe the next size up).
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@RojoLoco said in Video editing - suggestions:
@Pete-S those little Mackie monitors are pretty sweet for the price. I'm looking at adding a pair to the current recording studio setup (or maybe the next size up).
Yes, it's a remarkable amount of monitor for the price.
There are some downsides though for more serious applications. It has only an amplifier in one of the monitors - the other is passive. And there are no balanced input XLRs and no EQ fine tuning.
I've heard that Mackie's larger nearfield monitors like the MR624s are good value but they cost more.
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@Pete-S the larger ones are also great, but if I was going to drop the coin on more serious monitors, I'd have to save up and get some Genelecs or something. Current setup is some older, passive Tannoys with a cheap, class-D amp. Works fine until I can get my "real" amp repaired (EV 7100, an absolute beast for only being 100w/ch).
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those little Mackie monitors are pretty sweet for the price. I'm looking at adding a pair to the current recording studio setup (or maybe the next size up).
Can I ask what purpose these "monitors" have in video editing, as when I googled then thinking they were Monitors lol I found they are speakers .
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@hobbit666 said in Video editing - suggestions:
those little Mackie monitors are pretty sweet for the price. I'm looking at adding a pair to the current recording studio setup (or maybe the next size up).
Can I ask what purpose these "monitors" have in video editing, as when I googled then thinking they were Monitors lol I found they are speakers .
Took me a bit to figure out that we moved from video editing to sound studio monitors as well. I only caught on because I knew the vendor.
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I am asking technology wise aswell
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@hobbit666 said in Video editing - suggestions:
those little Mackie monitors are pretty sweet for the price. I'm looking at adding a pair to the current recording studio setup (or maybe the next size up).
Can I ask what purpose these "monitors" have in video editing, as when I googled then thinking they were Monitors lol I found they are speakers .
Sound is as important as video when doing video editing. That's why it's important to be able to hear exactly what the sound is. They are called monitors because that is the purpose - monitor the sound. Studio monitors differs from computer speakers because they are not designed to sound good - they are designed to sound as accurate as possible. Top of the line studio monitors can cost several thousands each.
This is what a typical video editing setup looks like:
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While not technically monitors, I was using a pair of Mackie SRM150 Powered Speakers as PC speakers for a while. Very nice and powerful. My son just swapped out a pair of monitors for speakers today.
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@Pete-S those are the Tannoys I have. Excellent speakers.
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Some people think good speakers, are accurate speakers.
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@jmoore said in Video editing - suggestions:
Some people think good speakers, are accurate speakers.
Same as people who think good food is eating what the chef prepared. And other people add ketchup, salt, or sugar to everything.
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@scottalanmiller I know, right.
