Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish



  • I know this will get alot of hate, but it just takes alot of effort and patience to make linux work with peripherals and once you do keeping your system up to date is difficult it might botch your manual configs..

    With windows you get the most out of your hardware cause of better hardware support, and if you want any software its there, and if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    Windows updates are manageable by a simple script that can toggle the updates service on/off but the cost sucks,but if you find a good deal fuck linux/ fuck ubuntu / fuck fedora..

    SMT said it we should not customize and with those you waste alot of time customizing, you want to learn linux install it as VM or SSH cause thats really Linux, a server box, and it is very good at it



  • I know alot will say oh he is not very good at it, he is bad at Linux.. he cant fix or blacklist or modprobe driver
    but are we really meant to do this ??? I remember a time where the OS for the client/end user would just work out of the box and you have to install drivers and keep it safe. And Windows can be safe if your smart user



  • no Samsung SSD toolbox, no drivers, rely on opensource weak ones...

    remind me why are we doing this ?

    If you have old system with ethernet then yeah it will be very stable, if you have any extra shit, it will be shit



  • I'm not understanding your stance here; it seems like you have some issue with hardware compatibility issue.

    But you seem like you only want to vent rather than fix the issue.



  • Not quite sure what to say, but I'll respond to what seems to make sense to me.

    From a "what workstation OS do I choose for my business?" perspective, I'd say that's largely going to driven by applications you need to us. If you live and die by desktop Adobe products, then a Linux distro isn't for you. If you're mostly using web apps, then OS really doesn't matter.

    As far as peripherals and a Linux distro, I've had only minor pain with printing (one day, I need to take the time and understand CUPS more). I can say that printing pain isn't isolated to a non-Windows OS. Where I work is a Microsoft shop with Citrix XenApp, and printing is annoying at best. My personal laptop is a System76 machine running Fedora, and the only hardware issues it's had were not Linux-related (power plug issue, and a display cable that went bad).



  • @DustinB3403

    i fixed it and the fix is reboot everytime, thats the fix with choosing linux as your workstation. you guys just dont peripherals, try Wifi USB drivers with linux that will make you really see how lacking in that department

    I gurantee the driver will work on Windows 100% and stable and better.

    Thats the thing, everytthing will work better your GPU will be better, you will get more performance in Windows

    Try an AMD APU on Linux and see.. terrible experience

    I have
    ASRock DeskMini A300W AMD Socket AM4 AMD A300 1 x HDMI Barebone System
    with Samsung NVMe 970 SSD
    and 2200G
    Ubuntu LTS 18.04

    I cant use the never versions cause GPU driver is unavailable man on 19.04 or 19.10



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @DustinB3403

    i fixed it and the fix is reboot everytime, thats the fix with choosing linux as your workstation. you guys just dont peripherals, try Wifi USB drivers with linux that will make you really see how lacking in that department

    I gurantee the driver will work on Windows 100% and stable and better.

    Thats the thing, everytthing will work better your GPU will be better, you will get more performance in Windows

    But the question isn't about support or functionality, rather a extremely limited use dongel. What peripheral are you using?



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder

    Windows 10 comes with a native SSH client and server. SSH client is enable by default.



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  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @black3dynamite

    Can it deal with SSH keys also, I doubt it. That is why I use CMDer

    Have you actually tried it?



  • @black3dynamite said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    if you want to connect to linux SSH using mRemoteNG or Cmder

    Windows 10 comes with a native SSH client and server. SSH client is enable by default.

    Can it deal with SSH keys also ? that is why i use CMDer



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  • If installed, you can even use WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) to SSH.



  • @Emad-R

    The solution is to do your due diligence.

    Verify the hardware is supported by the software you want to run. You do this with everything, OSs included.

    If you want to run Linux, buy supported hardware. Verify from the hardware manufacturer they support the OS you want to run; verify they provide drivers for your preferred OS.

    My 7 year old could be taught to do this.

    But a System76 and tell me Linux doesn't run on it. Buy some peripherals that Ubuntu documents as supported and tell me it doesn't work.

    There's only one person to blame in all your troubles.



  • It's not the OS vendor's responsibility to provide drivers for all the hardware in the world. Microsoft doesn't. It's up to the hardware vendor to provide drivers for it's own hardware. If a hardware vendor doesn't provide drivers for your OS of choice, buy different hardware or choose an OS the hardware vendor supports.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    It's not the OS vendor's responsibility to provide drivers for all the hardware in the world. Microsoft doesn't. It's up to the hardware vendor to provide drivers for it's own hardware. If a hardware vendor doesn't provide drivers for your OS of choice, buy different hardware or choose an OS the hardware vendor supports.

    That's true. But it's because few hardware manufacturer gives a shit about a couple of nerds running linux desktops when the rest of the worlds desktops are windows, and a couple of macs.

    The only reason linux survives on the desktop is because it's open source. If it wasn't, it would have been as dead as Windows Mobile/Phone (...and a long list of other dead operating systems).



  • @Emad-R

    You guys dont get it, we love Linux to much we are blind...

    There is nothing Windows can do that Linux cant, however the opposite is not true.

    In workstation sense, why do everything in your workstation and have all the options



  • It sounds like you're missing some Windows drivers experiences. We need to collect and send you all of our 'favourite' peripherals to install.



  • I haven't done much of it with Windows 10, but back with Windows 7, if the peripheral was not officially Windows 7 compatible it could be a real PITA to install.



  • @flaxking said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    It sounds like you're missing some Windows drivers experiences. We need to collect and send you all of our 'favourite' peripherals to install.

    What about GPU performance? and drivers for that

    You get better performance in windows, will using OS we love that handicaps performance cause of strict licensing and blobs that as end user i dont really care as long as i get free download of the driver and it installs.

    Linux as worksation means you can do anything in browser, which is good if you reach that point, but thats what desktop linux is a browser OS + snap/electron which is basically a browser app, and if you need linux you can run it in VM in windows the way it is meant to be run just console session.

    Thats my point, you will get more in Windows ENV

    I love Linux It causes me to earn and work, I made my own Debian Distro back in the day, but we are being cult about it, and limiting ourselves cause we love it so much



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/yBXuEb8lC1mqA/giphy.gif



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  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R

    The solution is to do your due diligence.

    Verify the hardware is supported by the software you want to run. You do this with everything, OSs included.

    If you want to run Linux, buy supported hardware. Verify from the hardware manufacturer they support the OS you want to run; verify they provide drivers for your preferred OS.

    My 7 year old could be taught to do this.

    But a System76 and tell me Linux doesn't run on it. Buy some peripherals that Ubuntu documents as supported and tell me it doesn't work.

    There's only one person to blame in all your troubles.

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    why the fuck should i go buy 1000$, go blow your money for bragging rights, if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research, and it will do more than your fancy 1000$ toy, and if i want to use linux i will rent one for 3$ per month, or make VM and keep the 700$ in my pocket... , i really hope you dont teach that 7yr old how to manage finances.



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    What kind of nice gaming gpus are you talking about in a $300 system? I think you are full of it.

    https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/linux/pine64-pro-laptop-review/



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    Linux is only meant for Server OSes ... not for our workstations, it will only take more of your time.

    Yeah I'm going to go ahead and disagree here. My previous job we had mix of HP z model workstations (440, 640, 840, 420, etc) with both NVIDIA and AMD cards in different systems and 10Gb NICs. We also deployed Dell 9020s with integrated graphics and Dell latitude laptops. Also some HP DL160 clusters. All running RHEL 7 desktops. Our engineers preferred that over windows.

    We had no driver issues like you're mentioning other than NVIDIA which is kind of a given.

    I could PXE boot a workstation and have it kickstart, then call Tower to have the hardening applied and joined to the domain in about 15 mins. That's faster than they could pump out Windows systems and all we had to do was reboot and hit F11 (or whatever the network boot key was) and walk away.

    I've had Linux on multiple laptops and desktops and 99% of the time I have no issues. There might have been one obscure driver in all of the systems I have had that didn't work.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    System76 cheapest option 1000$ my hardware is like 300-400$

    What kind of nice gaming gpus are you talking about in a $300 system? I think you are full of it.

    https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/linux/pine64-pro-laptop-review/

    My smartphone has more resources than that crap...

    ASRock DeskMini A300W AMD Socket AM4 AMD A300 1 x HDMI Barebone System
    244.99 CAD

    AMD 2200G
    Was on sale got it for 100 CAD

    samsung 970 evo plus 250gb
    90 CAD

    total
    340.56 United States Dollar

    And RAM 8-16 GB, started with 8 then updated



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.



  • @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.

    you mean type 2, right? its okay i can correct you all day...



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    if your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    I hope your planning on using it for application development, testing or demoing, because MS gives out those licences like candy, and that's what people sell (illegitimately) for cheap



  • @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Obsolesce said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    @Emad-R said in Using GNU\Linux on your workstation is rubbish:

    f your smart you can get Win 10 Home license for 15$ valid but you just need to research

    Obviously you've done no research and have no idea what you are even defending. Win10 home has no Hyper-V so you are stuck using a type 1 or WSL, which isn't a VM.

    you mean type 2, right?

    Obv.


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