ZeroTier File Transfer Speed
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@JaredBusch said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Check it with
SpeedTest.netand see what you get?that's where he started, that is useless. That's what led him astray in the first place because it shows the speed of the WAN without showing the speed of the path.
True, but that would also confirm his ISP is giving him what he's paying for.
That is not the question. No one cares about that.
So if you're paying for 500 megs and you get 3, you don't care about that?
That should be one of the early questions asked when researching file transfer speeds -- whether a VPN is involved or not.
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@JaredBusch said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@JaredBusch said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Check it with
SpeedTest.netand see what you get?that's where he started, that is useless. That's what led him astray in the first place because it shows the speed of the WAN without showing the speed of the path.
True, but that would also confirm his ISP is giving him what he's paying for.
That is not the question. No one cares about that.
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@JaredBusch said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Check it with
SpeedTest.netand see what you get?that's where he started, that is useless. That's what led him astray in the first place because it shows the speed of the WAN without showing the speed of the path.
True, but that would also confirm his ISP is giving him what he's paying for.
That is not the question. No one cares about that.
Plus I thought he already confirmed he's getting what he's paying for?
I see no mention of how this was verified above, thus the reason I recommended SpeedTest.
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@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
it's not relevant. it was tested and known that the line speed is valid.
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I can't speak for any other ISP, but Cox only guarantees the speed to their own services. So you buy 500 mbit/s, they only care if you get that to their own internal test site.
Granted, in most cases you should get something pretty damned close to one of the generic testing sites as well - which we assume the OP did when he said he tested multiple times.
With that out of the way - the OP still needs to test a non encrypted transfer via the internet between these two sites to see what that transfer speed is like. This could be done by hosting a HTTP server at either side and pulling pushing a largish file.... then compare those speeds to the VPN speeds...
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@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
I can't speak for any other ISP, but Cox only guarantees the speed to their own services. So you buy 500 mbit/s, they only care if you get that to their own internal test site.
This is the given nature of the Internet. It is impossible to get around it.
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@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Granted, in most cases you should get something pretty damned close to one of the generic testing sites as well - which we assume the OP did when he said he tested multiple time
No, you should not. That's a crazy conclusion. It's exactly the opposite... you can almost guaranteed not expect anything close to that speed.
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@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
So if you're paying for 500 megs and you get 3, you don't care about that?
We know he is getting 500, but that has nothing to do with the issue he has.
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@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@dafyre said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Check it with
SpeedTest.netand see what you get?that's where he started, that is useless. That's what led him astray in the first place because it shows the speed of the WAN without showing the speed of the path.
True, but that would also confirm his ISP is giving him what he's paying for.
Even if they are giving him half of what he is paying for, that's the not the relevant issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Granted, in most cases you should get something pretty damned close to one of the generic testing sites as well - which we assume the OP did when he said he tested multiple time
No, you should not. That's a crazy conclusion. It's exactly the opposite... you can almost guaranteed not expect anything close to that speed.
huh - I frequently get within 5% of the speed - and more often than not, I get more speed than I paid for.
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@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Granted, in most cases you should get something pretty damned close to one of the generic testing sites as well - which we assume the OP did when he said he tested multiple time
No, you should not. That's a crazy conclusion. It's exactly the opposite... you can almost guaranteed not expect anything close to that speed.
huh - I frequently get within 5% of the speed - and more often than not, I get more speed than I paid for.
Across the internet? I find that implausible. There are SO many bottlenecks, no one gets anywhere close. You can't use something like Speedtest to test as that specifically avoids all of the real world bottlenecks and tests the speed of your ISP, not the speed of your point to point capacity.
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I pay for 100/20 mbit/s
Here is a test I just ran on speedtest.net.
this is to a local to me location.
Here is to some place in Washington DC
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@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Granted, in most cases you should get something pretty damned close to one of the generic testing sites as well - which we assume the OP did when he said he tested multiple time
No, you should not. That's a crazy conclusion. It's exactly the opposite... you can almost guaranteed not expect anything close to that speed.
huh - I frequently get within 5% of the speed - and more often than not, I get more speed than I paid for.
Across the internet? I find that implausible. There are SO many bottlenecks, no one gets anywhere close. You can't use something like Speedtest to test as that specifically avoids all of the real world bottlenecks and tests the speed of your ISP, not the speed of your point to point capacity.
OK maybe not - but that is what I was basing my comments off of.
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Can you count a Google Speed test? or does that too avoid all the pitfalls?
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@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Can you count a Google Speed test? or does that too avoid all the pitfalls?
No speed test can be used. You need to set up a point to point connection and test yourself.
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What about setting up iperf on both endpoint?
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@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Can you count a Google Speed test? or does that too avoid all the pitfalls?
No speed test can be used. You need to set up a point to point connection and test yourself.
Well of course, if the goal is to test between the two endpoints - which is what the OP here wants. But wasn't what I was claiming that I've tested (and frankly - when the OP claimed they tested their ISPs, I also assumed they simply tried a speedtest.net test as well - showing that it WAS possible on the open internet to get speeds as sold by the ISP - nothing more).
Now, of course, as you and I and others have all said - the OP needs to setup an unencrypted transfer between these two specific sites to test that specific data path on the internet to see what kind of throughput he can get.
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@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Well of course, if the goal is to test between the two endpoints - which is what the OP here wants. But wasn't what I was claiming that I've tested (and frankly - when the OP claimed they tested their ISPs, I also assumed they simply tried a speedtest.net test as well - showing that it WAS possible on the open internet to get speeds as sold by the ISP - nothing more).
Those tests are not the open Internet, they are specifically avoiding that. That's the point of them. They detect which servers are not going to the Internet techically at all and are staying within a single carrier.
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@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Well of course, if the goal is to test between the two endpoints - which is what the OP here wants. But wasn't what I was claiming that I've tested (and frankly - when the OP claimed they tested their ISPs, I also assumed they simply tried a speedtest.net test as well - showing that it WAS possible on the open internet to get speeds as sold by the ISP - nothing more).
Those tests are not the open Internet, they are specifically avoiding that. That's the point of them. They detect which servers are not going to the Internet techically at all and are staying within a single carrier.
In the DC test above, I specifically looked for an endpoint NOT on Cox.
Including Google?
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@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
@Dashrender said in ZeroTier File Transfer Speed:
Well of course, if the goal is to test between the two endpoints - which is what the OP here wants. But wasn't what I was claiming that I've tested (and frankly - when the OP claimed they tested their ISPs, I also assumed they simply tried a speedtest.net test as well - showing that it WAS possible on the open internet to get speeds as sold by the ISP - nothing more).
Those tests are not the open Internet, they are specifically avoiding that. That's the point of them. They detect which servers are not going to the Internet techically at all and are staying within a single carrier.
In the DC test above, I specifically looked for an endpoint NOT on Cox.
Including Google?
Google is specifically designed to do the same thing as SpeedTest, it's about testing YOUR speed, not the speed of your point to point. All things Google run on local networks, that's part of their magic. Their DNS, their searches, their everything is hosted on all major (and man minor) carriers to make sure that accessing Google stuff never traverses carrier boundaries.
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This is how the internet works:
Internet is made up of a bunch of independent but interconnected networks.
The Tier 1 networks are the internet backbone. They have peering agreements between each other to exchange traffic without paying.
Tier 2 pays money to send traffic over Tier 1 and Tier 3 pays money to send traffic over Tier 2. And the end users pays money to send traffic over Tier 3.
The bandwidth sold to the users are seriously oversubscribed.
So when traffic is moving over the internet it passes a bunch of different networks from source to destination. All of these have bandwidth limitations just like any physical network and there is a lot of traffic. As you pass more networks the latency increases and the bandwidth decreases. How much depends on whatever else is going on at the same time.
Big companies like Google have their own network infrastructure with their own fiber backbone so they can bypass some of the internet network infrastructure.
If you have two servers connected over the internet you are wise to use the same ISP because the traffic is more likely to stay on the same network. And the closer they are physically, the better it is.
If you however are physically close but on different networks, the traffic might have to traverse many networks before getting to it's destination.
So the actual bandwidth and latency you end up getting between server A and server B is a crapshoot.
