Can Windows 7 Still Upgrade to Windows 10
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
I straight up skipped Windows 8 and jumped to Windows 10 with my hacked Windows 7 ISO, and got Windows 10 for free too at the time (I've since got a new system but w/e). Doesn't make my hacked ISO legit and valid.
You upgraded to Windows 10 FROM non-genuine software, therefore, your WIndows 10 license (and original version) is invalid and you are not licensed.
Correct, and that was his point.
Oh, I misinterpreted it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You say there is no solidified way of doing this, Scott says it's black and white because it queries Microsoft and asks... Your pirated version was activated, yet it's not legal somehow?
The whole thing is just so confusing /sarcasThis has been completely covered by the EULA. How are you missing that? The EULA spells this out, so your point makes no sense. The activation is only applicable if the license is valid. Since it is, the activation is valid. Period. Black and white, no gray area, no complexity.
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10. You keep saying that your Windows 7 license is valid, therefore the application is applicable, but the entire point of the last 50 posts in this thread is trying to prove that the license is, in fact, valid. How are you missing that? Why on earth would a Windows 7 license be a valid Windows 10 license if you missed the free upgrade promotion? It's a completely different product. The onus is on me to prove it's not valid, so is there something in my AutoCAD licensing saying specifically that a Photoshop license doesn't count as a valid AutoCAD license, of course not, because why would it? Why would a license for a different software count as a license for something else??
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@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
I straight up skipped Windows 8 and jumped to Windows 10 with my hacked Windows 7 ISO, and got Windows 10 for free too at the time (I've since got a new system but w/e). Doesn't make my hacked ISO legit and valid.
You upgraded to Windows 10 FROM non-genuine software, therefore, your WIndows 10 license (and original version) is invalid and you are not licensed.
Exactly, I stated as much, I upgraded from a non-valid source. MS couldn't tell the difference, but I did. I was not legal at the time. That license is long gone as is the hardware, but the point remains just because you can do something, doesn't equate to being allowed and licensed to do that.
You can snort cocaine, doesn't make it legal to pose or snort cocaine. . .
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
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@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
I straight up skipped Windows 8 and jumped to Windows 10 with my hacked Windows 7 ISO, and got Windows 10 for free too at the time (I've since got a new system but w/e). Doesn't make my hacked ISO legit and valid.
You upgraded to Windows 10 FROM non-genuine software, therefore, your WIndows 10 license (and original version) is invalid and you are not licensed.
Exactly, I stated as much, I upgraded from a non-valid source. MS couldn't tell the difference, but I did. I was not legal at the time. That license is long gone as is the hardware, but the point remains just because you can do something, doesn't equate to being allowed and licensed to do that.
You can snort cocaine, doesn't make it legal to pose or snort cocaine. . .
My entire point of bringing this up repeatedly was to address Scott's bogus claim that the activation server queries home so therefore you MUST be licensed... it's not black and white.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Why on earth would a Windows 7 license be a valid Windows 10 license if you missed the free upgrade promotion?
Because Microsoft determined that it is so. Why do you keep trying to override Microsoft themselves? You query them to see, they say it is, it's that simple.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
My entire point of bringing this up repeatedly was to address Scott's bogus claim that the activation server queries home so therefore you MUST be licensed... it's not black and white.
You, again, to try to make the point make sense, left out that only a valid license applies to this situation. In which case, it is very obviously true and black and white.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
It's a completely different product.
It is not, one is the upgrade to the other. MS makes no claim to it being different products. They say everywhere that you "upgrade" between these versions. And the EULA point out "upgrading from".
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
You are conflating what genuine means here. MS couldn't tell that my license at the time was a cracked license. The fact that it was immediately disqualifies the license to be eligible (legal) for a free upgrade to Windows 10.
Had MS had some tool to tell the license key was cracked, I would've been prompted to purchase a Windows 10 product key at upgrade time. They simply had no way to tell the difference.
One does not imply the other.
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A Windows 7 key will work to upgrade and activate a Windows 10 upgrade.
This is because MS has no idea or way of knowing when that 7 key was bought. It knows when it was activated, I think they would keep record of that on their activation servers / databases. So if you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a prior activated Windows 7 key, you're good to go. If you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a non-prior acticated Windows 7 key AND, it was purchased prior to the Free Windows 10 deadline, I don't think you'd therefore be licensed.... though I haven't done much reading on that.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
The onus is on me to prove it's not valid, so is there something in my AutoCAD licensing saying specifically that a Photoshop license doesn't count as a valid AutoCAD license, of course not, because why would it? Why would a license for a different software count as a license for something else??
You are missing loads of points here. This is not sensible at all.
AutoCAD will tell you that you need to have an AutoCAD license. It's that simple. Just as Microsoft says you need a Windows license.
And Windows 10 1903 is just several updates away from Windows 7. All one product. MS has been super clear on this.
So both of your examples make no sense. In both cases the EULAs tell you what is valid, and you are resorting to completely different scenarios to make a simple upgrade that is clearly licensed seem crazy, when it is anything but.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
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@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
A Windows 7 key will work to upgrade and activate a Windows 10 upgrade.
This is because MS has no idea or way of knowing when that 7 key was bought.It didn't used to, that's a newer thing.
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@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
A Windows 7 key will work to upgrade and activate a Windows 10 upgrade.
This is because MS has no idea or way of knowing when that 7 key was bought. It knows when it was activated, I think they would keep record of that on their activation servers / databases. So if you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a prior activated Windows 7 key, you're good to go. If you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a non-prior acticated Windows 7 key AND, it was purchased prior to the Free Windows 10 deadline, I don't think you'd therefore be licensed.... though I haven't done much reading on that.
Yes dude, thank you!
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
You are only refuting something different than we are discussing. Refute what I said, which has an "and" in it. For an "and" to be true, it can only be proven as untrue in whole, not in part. You are looking solely at a very different thing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
You are only refuting something different than we are discussing. Refute what I said, which has an "and" in it. For an "and" to be true, it can only be proven as untrue in whole, not in part. You are looking solely at a very different thing.
I'm done. You win. I haven't done this in 4 years, it's not even relevant to me anymore. You can't understand what I'm saying and I give up lol
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
A Windows 7 key will work to upgrade and activate a Windows 10 upgrade.
This is because MS has no idea or way of knowing when that 7 key was bought. It knows when it was activated, I think they would keep record of that on their activation servers / databases. So if you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a prior activated Windows 7 key, you're good to go. If you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a non-prior acticated Windows 7 key AND, it was purchased prior to the Free Windows 10 deadline, I don't think you'd therefore be licensed.... though I haven't done much reading on that.
Yes dude, thank you!
While he has some points, why do you feel that they apply to the discussion? When Windows 7 was purchased has never come into the discussion before.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
You are only refuting something different than we are discussing. Refute what I said, which has an "and" in it. For an "and" to be true, it can only be proven as untrue in whole, not in part. You are looking solely at a very different thing.
I'm done. You win. I haven't done this in 4 years, it's not even relevant to me anymore. You can't understand what I'm saying and I give up lol
Because you keep refuting something completely different than I've said. I said very, very clearly that both the EULA has to be honored, and then the activation was meaningful. And then every time you refute it by using an example where the EULA is not honored, which means you aren't even discussing anything I've discussed.
Those are wholly unrelated scenarios. Nothing that happens with activation when the EULA isn't valid has any applicability to the situation.
