Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
The same goes to Unifi APs - they connect to a non File/Print service ON the Windows 10 box. So that makes it against the EULA.
In their case, it would be fun except they use it as a server, they are posting to, not being pulled from. If you remember, we had to dig into the mechanism to see that it was doing its action in a non-intuitive way that caused a problem that normally would not be there.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
Hypervisors can't be a factor, so it has to be the VM. If the platform underneath matters, you aren't fully virtualized.
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I appreciate everyone's help. As I said, I'm just going to build a small Win 10 box and be done with it. That seems to be the simplest solution as it appears that is how the software was made to operate.
Thanks for the information guys!
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I’ll run it on Win 10. Reading on the intertubes, that seems to be working for the populace. It’s a shame it’s not designed for a more “production ready” environment. Maybe I need to bitch and moan on their forums for an “updated” VM ready version.
Yes, that you can't virtualize on Linux is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? Virtualize on Linux, as in a Linux based VM? or a Linux base hypervisor?
Hypervisors can't be a factor, so it has to be the VM. If the platform underneath matters, you aren't fully virtualized.
I'm guessing that's the issue then, not fully virtualized, i.e. CS isn't being virtualized, otherwise running the CS client in the VM should solve the issue.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
Even if that's the case, there may be other features of the software that make it ask as a server. So then the user has to not use those features to stay within the EULA.
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@flaxking said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
You're streaming into Windows 10, to a service that is not file or print. So how is it not violating the EULA?
Because that's like using youTube. YouTube is "steaming in", so is Netflix. That's a client action, and exactly what the OS is meant for.
The difference is that you sent the request to YouTube to send you data... are the cameras working the same? If the cameras are just broadcasting, and the client on the PC is asking for the stream.. then I agree with you.
Even if that's the case, there may be other features of the software that make it ask as a server. So then the user has to not use those features to stay within the EULA.
Well - one feature we KNOW it does do is provide streaming access to the recorded content... but it's doing so via HTTPS, and that is specifically allowed for up to 10 (or is it 20 now) connections.
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@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
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@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Doing it in any other fashion over complicates the camera. It would require the camera to have logic to communicate with the server and all this stuff that it does not need. Right now the cameras just have a very simple light HTTP server to serve a RTSP feed.
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@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Doing it in any other fashion over complicates the camera. It would require the camera to have logic to communicate with the server and all this stuff that it does not need. Right now the cameras just have a very simple light HTTP server to serve a RTSP feed.
That's cool/good. removes any issues with the EULA, at least for receiving the RTSP feeds. And as I already stated, the sending out of feeds to other clients should all be fine as well, because, if I read the OP correctly - they are just sent out over a webpage connection - which the EULA allows.
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@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Same here, including Axis.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Requiring the server to "pull" data from a constantly running camera would be really weird conceptually. Think of it like a radio station that is always broadcasting. How weird would it be if each radio had to check in and "request" the broadcast go to them, even though it was already broadcasting.
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@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Requiring the server to "pull" data from a constantly running camera would be really weird conceptually. Think of it like a radio station that is always broadcasting. How weird would it be if each radio had to check in and "request" the broadcast go to them, even though it was already broadcasting.
In a routed situation - isn't that exactly what has to happen? or is this only usable in a broadcast domain? serious question.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Requiring the server to "pull" data from a constantly running camera would be really weird conceptually. Think of it like a radio station that is always broadcasting. How weird would it be if each radio had to check in and "request" the broadcast go to them, even though it was already broadcasting.
In a routed situation - isn't that exactly what has to happen? or is this only usable in a broadcast domain? serious question.
Of course not. It is no different than how you watch a stream from YouTube or Netflix.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@scottalanmiller said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@JaredBusch said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender almost every camera that I’ve ever worked with simply provides a web interface or RTSP feed that whatever is going to view it whether it’s a server that’s going to record or a person directly browsing simply goes to that URL and port to view the feed.
Thanks - I've never used one yet..
Requiring the server to "pull" data from a constantly running camera would be really weird conceptually. Think of it like a radio station that is always broadcasting. How weird would it be if each radio had to check in and "request" the broadcast go to them, even though it was already broadcasting.
In a routed situation - isn't that exactly what has to happen? or is this only usable in a broadcast domain? serious question.
Its' not using Ethernet broadcasts, it's just making the broadcast available. Like a web page. In fact, it IS a web page. That it is video on the web page is actually not a factor. Axis cameras, like many, are just using a basic web server that you can view.
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So, the only thing now, would be if he is accessing a web interface (or similar) on the Windows 10 system from another device, like a smartphone app. Wouldn't that be a EULA issue?
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@wrx7m said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
So, the only thing now, would be if he is accessing a web interface (or similar) on the Windows 10 system from another device, like a smartphone app. Wouldn't that be a EULA issue?
no - web based access (iis) is allowed in the EULA
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Just as an update to this thread, I upgraded the host to an i9 9900 CPU (8c/16t). There is now plenty of horsepower to chew through the H.264 decoding without having to use Quick Sync.
I'm happy I was able to keep it virtualized. I've been playing with XCP-NG and blown away how easy it is to use. I think I've found my new love...
