Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email
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@DustinB3403 well there you go, found the problem...you're using Outlook
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I only use CV within Gmail (have since 2014-09-01) and could not imagine going back to the old way. I've tried a few times and it was painful.
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CV works pretty well in Zoho.
I can toll the whole chain into any folder or archive it or whatever. Even delete one of the middle emails in the chain, no problem. When a new email shows up, the entire chain basically goes to the top of the inbox again.
I like it because it just that easy to read the last one or two emails to remember what's going on.
In Thunderbird, even when not using CV, I would very often right-click the email and open the full chain to do just that, see them all in order of send/receive, it's quite handy.
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@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
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@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I like it because it just that easy to read the last one or two emails to remember what's going on.
Those are normally in the email already, though, so I never run into that problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I like it because it just that easy to read the last one or two emails to remember what's going on.
Those are normally in the email already, though, so I never run into that problem.
Very true, but then it's the same difference, you're just getting a view of previous emails under the current one.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
Ya their email is pretty nice, but CV is not without issues.
Sometimes, for example, when looking at an email, I want to delete it. It's hard to know what the delete is actually doing. Sometimes it will only delete the one email in the chain that I'm looking at. Other times it appears to delete the entire chain so the whole thing disappears. It seems inconsistent. Sometimes I want to delete the whole chain since it's not needed for anything, but I don't think Zoho is actually deleting all the received and sent emails in the chain, it might just be deleting the one I'm looking at, and then hiding the rest? I don't know really know how that works to be honest.
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@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
Ya their email is pretty nice, but CV is not without issues.
Sometimes, for example, when looking at an email, I want to delete it. It's hard to know what the delete is actually doing. Sometimes it will only delete the one email in the chain that I'm looking at. Other times it appears to delete the entire chain so the whole thing disappears. It seems inconsistent. Sometimes I want to delete the whole chain since it's not needed for anything, but I don't think Zoho is actually deleting all the received and sent emails in the chain, it might just be deleting the one I'm looking at, and then hiding the rest? I don't know really know how that works to be honest.
That's probably my underlying concern with CV across the board, it shows things in an abstracted way and it is very difficult as the human to understand what you are seeing and how it will react to actions you take.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
Ya their email is pretty nice, but CV is not without issues.
Sometimes, for example, when looking at an email, I want to delete it. It's hard to know what the delete is actually doing. Sometimes it will only delete the one email in the chain that I'm looking at. Other times it appears to delete the entire chain so the whole thing disappears. It seems inconsistent. Sometimes I want to delete the whole chain since it's not needed for anything, but I don't think Zoho is actually deleting all the received and sent emails in the chain, it might just be deleting the one I'm looking at, and then hiding the rest? I don't know really know how that works to be honest.
That's probably my underlying concern with CV across the board, it shows things in an abstracted way and it is very difficult as the human to understand what you are seeing and how it will react to actions you take.
Not at all difficult for me to understand and use effectively and efficiently.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
Ya their email is pretty nice, but CV is not without issues.
Sometimes, for example, when looking at an email, I want to delete it. It's hard to know what the delete is actually doing. Sometimes it will only delete the one email in the chain that I'm looking at. Other times it appears to delete the entire chain so the whole thing disappears. It seems inconsistent. Sometimes I want to delete the whole chain since it's not needed for anything, but I don't think Zoho is actually deleting all the received and sent emails in the chain, it might just be deleting the one I'm looking at, and then hiding the rest? I don't know really know how that works to be honest.
That's probably my underlying concern with CV across the board, it shows things in an abstracted way and it is very difficult as the human to understand what you are seeing and how it will react to actions you take.
Not at all difficult for me to understand and use effectively and efficiently.
Only once you learn a specific platform. But in general, for example, if you hit delete on a conversation... what does it do? Keep in mind, you have to answer for all systems, not just one. When we work without CV view, the answer is universal. But with CV, the answer varies.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
But in general, for example, if you hit delete on a conversation... what does it do?
Uh, it goes to the deleted folder. If it's accidental, move it back to inbox. If it's purposely done and needed a while later, still restorable. Know what you are deleting before you do it. Same thing if you delete a regular email. Same thing if you delete part of a conversation.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
Uh, it goes to the deleted folder.
And "it" is not consistent. Hence the problem. The fact that you referred to a pronoun without antecedent is exactly the issue we have. The antecedent is what is in question. Does selecting a conversation select a conversation or an email within it?
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
Know what you are deleting before you do it.
Exactly the question we are asking, how do you know? Especially as it is not consistent between systems.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
Same thing if you delete a regular email.
That's the problem, it can't be the same. That's not possible. Because when you delete an email, there is no abstraction to question.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
Uh, it goes to the deleted folder.
And "it" is not consistent. Hence the problem. The fact that you referred to a pronoun without antecedent is exactly the issue we have. The antecedent is what is in question. Does selecting a conversation select a conversation or an email within it?
It's completely consistent. You pick exactly what you want to delete... an individual email, or the entire thread. It's totally up to you. Same concept as on this site, either delete a post within a thread, or delete the entire thread.
I don't see how you are so confused by it. You must really have no experience using it and just totally hating on it. But even still, it's totally one's own preference. It's so not worth a discussion. It's a feature many people prefer. More who prefer it than don't in my experience.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I don't see how you are so confused by it. You must really have no experience using it and just totally hating on it.
Quite the reaction considering it wasn't even me that said it. But you missed the point, YOU say you select an email or a thread, but we know that the two are selected together so how do you define one or the other?
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
It's a feature many people prefer. More who prefer it than don't in my experience.
I've never encountered this. I know lots of people who use it, but only out of confusion. You aren't the only person that I've had say that they prefer it, but it is few and far between. Most people think that it is just some kind of screw up like the focused mailbox or clutter and it keeps coming back so they give up in despair.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
but we know that the two are selected together so how do you define one or the other?
Just as how a thread can be selected as a whole, or just a post in a thread can be selected.
You can delete the thread as a whole, or, you can delete emails in a thread individually at any time. They are not always selected together. Only if you do it that way.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
but we know that the two are selected together so how do you define one or the other?
Just as how a thread can be selected as a whole, or just a post in a thread can be selected.
You can delete the thread as a whole, or, you can delete emails in a thread individually at any time. They are not always selected together. Only if you do it that way.
Show that to me in Gmail please. I have no clue how you can select just one email.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
but we know that the two are selected together so how do you define one or the other?
Just as how a thread can be selected as a whole, or just a post in a thread can be selected.
You can delete the thread as a whole, or, you can delete emails in a thread individually at any time. They are not always selected together. Only if you do it that way.
Show that to me in Gmail please. I have no clue how you can select just one email.
This particular "thread" or "conversation", whatever you want to call it (MS calls it a Thread), has 4 emails in it.
I have selected the third one, and can choose to delete just that one.
At the top, the trash can symbol, I can delete the entire "thread" or "conversation", for from the list of emails I can select the thread as a whole and delete it there. In Outlook, in the list view, I can select the thread or "expand" it and select indivicual emails. Here, outlook is a bit better. But below is the Gmail as you asked.
