Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You don't. You are mixing two different backup solutions.
@JaredBusch This is such a simple comment, but it's really the best response. I really don't want to setup tapes ever again, even if it's virtual. I've already purchased Veeam Enterprise, but the path to put Veeam backups to the cloud is best done through cloud connect partners or Starwind VTL. CCP's are expensive and Starwind VTL is a PITA setup. Here is a thought...continue to use Veeam to backup to my SAM-SD repo. Then I would install CloudBerry managed backup service on 21 of my important VM's to just backup to Backblaze B2 for offsite backup. The CloudBerry managed backup is priced at $25/per Windows VM with the volume discount.
There is nothing wrong with two separate solutions like this. Just make sure the schedules are set at times that the do not conflict because they are both trying to create snaps and such.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Looking at the Veeam scenario. If I create a SAM-SD as my Veeam repository for local backups. Can someone point me to what middleman software I should be looking to replicate those local backups to the cloud on the SAM-SD to Backblaze B2? This is easy with a Veeam cloud connect partner since I can do this within the Veeam console, but what about going to a third party cloud backup provider?
CloudBerry, or just a script. No special tools needed to send things to B2. B2 provides libraries for it.
Cloudberry is a backup solution itself. You would use that to manage your backup scheudles and such as well as to send the data to offsite storage.
Cloudberry does exactly what I was talking about in my previous post by the way.
I've now got my Veeam install up and going and sending backups to my SAM-SD repository (working great BTW!). I'm wanting to install the CloudBerry server client on my SAM-SD (CentOS 7) and upload my Veeam repo to BackBlaze B2 for offsite storage. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the proper Veeam backup method to send to the SAM-SD repo and have CloudBerry upload to BackBlaze efficiently. I've currently got the Veeam backup job setup on the Forward Incremental Forever Backup Method. What is the best Veeam backup method to send to the repo that CloudBerry can upload to BackBlaze B2 efficiently, and reduce the amount of uploaded data keeping in mind CloudBerry has the Synthetic Full Backup feature that reuses the existing data stored in the cloud.
You don't. You are mixing two different backup solutions.
@JaredBusch This is such a simple comment, but it's really the best response. I really don't want to setup tapes ever again, even if it's virtual. I've already purchased Veeam Enterprise, but the path to put Veeam backups to the cloud is best done through cloud connect partners or Starwind VTL. CCP's are expensive and Starwind VTL is a PITA setup. Here is a thought...continue to use Veeam to backup to my SAM-SD repo. Then I would install CloudBerry managed backup service on 21 of my important VM's to just backup to Backblaze B2 for offsite backup. The CloudBerry managed backup is priced at $25/per Windows VM with the volume discount.
This is exactly why I wouldn't use Veeam, well one of the major reasons. If you are using actual tape with no cloud in mind, it's great and more affordable. I love Veeam for its tape capabilities, which is why I did not go with Unitrends.
My preferred method is SCDPM because it just works so wonderfully well with onprem, tape, and cloud all together. It's expensive though.
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@magicmarker said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@JaredBusch This is such a simple comment, but it's really the best response. I really don't want to setup tapes ever again, even if it's virtual. I've already purchased Veeam Enterprise, but the path to put Veeam backups to the cloud is best done through cloud connect partners or Starwind VTL. CCP's are expensive and Starwind VTL is a PITA setup. Here is a thought...continue to use Veeam to backup to my SAM-SD repo. Then I would install CloudBerry managed backup service on 21 of my important VM's to just backup to Backblaze B2 for offsite backup. The CloudBerry managed backup is priced at $25/per Windows VM with the volume discount.
Using a Cloud Connect Partner is simple but not cheap.
Another option would be to buy an iosafe (Fireproof and Waterproof). You can then create a Backup Copy Job of your SAM-SD repository for DR purposes using Veeam.
Cloud storage with a Cloud Connect Partner is nice but is it mandatory? It very well may be.
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@pmoncho said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Cloud storage with a Cloud Connect Partner is nice but is it mandatory? It very well may be.
Using VTL you can meet any of those requirements, but without the expensive partners. It's a popular approach. Then you can use Backblaze or Wasabi and save a fortune. @BackblazeNathan @Stuka
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@pmoncho said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
Cloud storage with a Cloud Connect Partner is nice but is it mandatory? It very well may be.
Using VTL you can meet any of those requirements, but without the expensive partners. It's a popular approach. Then you can use Backblaze or Wasabi and save a fortune. @BackblazeNathan @Stuka
No doubt but Cloud Connect does make it rather easy. Obviously for a price. So many good options out there. I am learning even more about how versatile Veeam can be.
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@scottalanmiller So, Wasabi is good? I saw it referenced in a starwind article and don't recall hearing about it in the past.
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@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller So, Wasabi is good? I saw it referenced in a starwind article and don't recall hearing about it in the past.
yeah, definitely check it out. Backed by some big players. Lowest cost enterprise cloud storage out there.
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@scottalanmiller - Native integration in Veeam BR Update 4. That is what I have been waiting for. I have quite the setup to get backup files to Amazon S3 right now. This would simplify it and dramatically reduce the cost.
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@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller - Native integration in Veeam BR Update 4. That is what I have been waiting for. I have quite the setup to get backup files to Amazon S3 right now. This would simplify it and dramatically reduce the cost.
For Wasabi?
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller - Native integration in Veeam BR Update 4. That is what I have been waiting for. I have quite the setup to get backup files to Amazon S3 right now. This would simplify it and dramatically reduce the cost.
For Wasabi?
Yup-
https://wasabi-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001486671-How-do-I-use-Veeam-with-Wasabi- -
@wrx7m since Wasabi is Amazon S3 compatible, it's not surprising that there is a way to make it work.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah... I was waiting for native S3 integration. Since it works with Wasabi, I will be trying that out as soon as I get update 4 installed.
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@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@wrx7m said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@scottalanmiller - Native integration in Veeam BR Update 4. That is what I have been waiting for. I have quite the setup to get backup files to Amazon S3 right now. This would simplify it and dramatically reduce the cost.
For Wasabi?
Yup-
https://wasabi-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001486671-How-do-I-use-Veeam-with-Wasabi-I'll be skipping the Cloudberry install now and just use Veeam backup to Wasabi cloud using the Cloud Tier in update 4. Looks like I bought Veeam just at the right time.
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@magicmarker Update 4 was released today. You can use it now.
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@magicmarker
Take a look here before: https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-cloud-tier/
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@dave_c said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
@magicmarker
Take a look here before: https://rhyshammond.com/veeam-cloud-tier/
It is probably not what you thinkGreat link @dave_c! Your right, it isn't what I thought. Back to using Cloudberry and Veeam. The Cloud Tier is more for off-site cloud storage of you SORP.
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I've been working with Veeam support on this. They are telling me that I can use the new Cloud Tier option in update 4 instead of Cloudberry to offload Veeam backups to cheap cloud storage (I plan to choose Wasabi). Since this feature is so new it's hard to know all the cons at the moment. I'm going to try and skip the extra CloudBerry license costs to use the new Veeam Cloud Tier option already built into my Veeam Enterprise license to offload backups to Wasabi. I can update this post after I complete it.
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We've been a Cloudberry Provider for many years. We have some customers on Unitrends.
We are in the process of moving all our customers to Datto. It's partner channel only, so you'll have to find someone to work through.
We are putting an appliance onsite; with forever cloud copy.
I hate Unitrends for a plethora of reasons, and I just don't have a high level of confidence in Cloudberry anymore.
Also, I do like the idea of the onsite appliance for quick recovery rather than downloading fro the cloud (current Cloudberry setup).
Datto's backups are all stored P2V, you can spin up a VM of someone's PC or your server in about 40 seconds. I like this part.
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@JasGot
As you have customers on Unitrends, have you tried Unitrends MSP? I am intrigued by it.
I have no current relation to Unitrends and I have a trust problem with them now that the company is part of Kaseya but I know someone who says it works well.
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@JasGot said in Looking to migrate backup service to Unitrends.:
We are in the process of moving all our customers to Datto.
I used to work literally across the street from them. Their headquarters and ours faced each other on a side street.
