Mail hosting



  • Want to move back from hosted website to a VM. The problem is: How to handle mails? I don't want to run a mailserver, did that for a decade and it's a mess. Billions of things to consider, updates that blow up your setup, constantly fighting spam and what not.

    There are approx. 3 dozen mailboxes. I want decent antispam and AV, server side filtering, IMAP PUSH, external Domain (MX record pointing to the hoster) and hosting within the EU. Shouldn't be too hard.

    So what are your favorite mail hosters?



  • @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    Want to move back from hosted website to a VM. The problem is: How to handle mails? I don't want to run a mailserver, did that for a decade and it's a mess. Billions of things to consider, updates that blow up your setup, constantly fighting spam and what not.

    There are approx. 3 dozen mailboxes. I want decent antispam and AV, server side filtering, IMAP PUSH, external Domain (MX record pointing to the hoster) and hosting within the EU. Shouldn't be too hard.

    So what are your favorite mail hosters?

    So what do you have now for Mail Server?



  • @dbeato said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    Want to move back from hosted website to a VM. The problem is: How to handle mails? I don't want to run a mailserver, did that for a decade and it's a mess. Billions of things to consider, updates that blow up your setup, constantly fighting spam and what not.

    There are approx. 3 dozen mailboxes. I want decent antispam and AV, server side filtering, IMAP PUSH, external Domain (MX record pointing to the hoster) and hosting within the EU. Shouldn't be too hard.

    So what are your favorite mail hosters?

    So what do you have now for Mail Server?

    Hosted webspace. But the performance isn't great, that's why I need to move again.



  • @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    @dbeato said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    Want to move back from hosted website to a VM. The problem is: How to handle mails? I don't want to run a mailserver, did that for a decade and it's a mess. Billions of things to consider, updates that blow up your setup, constantly fighting spam and what not.

    There are approx. 3 dozen mailboxes. I want decent antispam and AV, server side filtering, IMAP PUSH, external Domain (MX record pointing to the hoster) and hosting within the EU. Shouldn't be too hard.

    So what are your favorite mail hosters?

    So what do you have now for Mail Server?

    Hosted webspace. But the performance isn't great, that's why I need to move again.

    Just run your own email server on Vultr or similar. Ours is in France right now. Works great.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    @dbeato said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    Want to move back from hosted website to a VM. The problem is: How to handle mails? I don't want to run a mailserver, did that for a decade and it's a mess. Billions of things to consider, updates that blow up your setup, constantly fighting spam and what not.

    There are approx. 3 dozen mailboxes. I want decent antispam and AV, server side filtering, IMAP PUSH, external Domain (MX record pointing to the hoster) and hosting within the EU. Shouldn't be too hard.

    So what are your favorite mail hosters?

    So what do you have now for Mail Server?

    Hosted webspace. But the performance isn't great, that's why I need to move again.

    Just run your own email server on Vultr or similar. Ours is in France right now. Works great.

    That's what I want to avoid. Are you using something out of the box? Maybe a docker based solution?



  • @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    @dbeato said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    Want to move back from hosted website to a VM. The problem is: How to handle mails? I don't want to run a mailserver, did that for a decade and it's a mess. Billions of things to consider, updates that blow up your setup, constantly fighting spam and what not.

    There are approx. 3 dozen mailboxes. I want decent antispam and AV, server side filtering, IMAP PUSH, external Domain (MX record pointing to the hoster) and hosting within the EU. Shouldn't be too hard.

    So what are your favorite mail hosters?

    So what do you have now for Mail Server?

    Hosted webspace. But the performance isn't great, that's why I need to move again.

    Just run your own email server on Vultr or similar. Ours is in France right now. Works great.

    That's what I want to avoid. Are you using something out of the box? Maybe a docker based solution?

    No, we use Zimbra.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    Zimbra

    I'll take a look, thank you.



  • If you're going to move your email... why not move it to something like O365?



  • @dafyre said in Mail hosting:

    If you're going to move your email... why not move it to something like O365?

    $4 per user perhaps.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @dafyre said in Mail hosting:

    If you're going to move your email... why not move it to something like O365?

    $4 per user perhaps.

    ^

    Approx. 30 mailboxes on multiple domains



  • @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @dafyre said in Mail hosting:

    If you're going to move your email... why not move it to something like O365?

    $4 per user perhaps.

    ^

    Approx. 30 mailboxes on multiple domains

    Domains are free with most hosts, but mailboxes are not. So for Hosted Exchange, that's $120/mo USD. You can do a lot of Zimbra for that.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @dafyre said in Mail hosting:

    If you're going to move your email... why not move it to something like O365?

    $4 per user perhaps.

    ^

    Approx. 30 mailboxes on multiple domains

    Domains are free with most hosts, but mailboxes are not. So for Hosted Exchange, that's $120/mo USD. You can do a lot of Zimbra for that.

    And per user not pricing with the OpenSource one just your hosted server 🙂



  • @dbeato said in Mail hosting:

    @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @thwr said in Mail hosting:

    @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @dafyre said in Mail hosting:

    If you're going to move your email... why not move it to something like O365?

    $4 per user perhaps.

    ^

    Approx. 30 mailboxes on multiple domains

    Domains are free with most hosts, but mailboxes are not. So for Hosted Exchange, that's $120/mo USD. You can do a lot of Zimbra for that.

    And per user not pricing with the OpenSource one just your hosted server 🙂

    Yeah, $20-$40/mo should cover the capacity needed for that many users with Zimbra.



  • Just curious, but why are you going back to in house for your site? There are many good ones out there, it sounds like you're just on one that isn't performing very well for what you need.



  • @bbigford said in Mail hosting:

    Just curious, but why are you going back to in house for your site? There are many good ones out there, it sounds like you're just on one that isn't performing very well for what you need.

    There really aren't that many doing it well for lower cost, lower end email.



  • I don't mind paying a bit. But not $4/box/month.



  • @bbigford said in Mail hosting:

    Just curious, but why are you going back to in house for your site? There are many good ones out there, it sounds like you're just on one that isn't performing very well for what you need.

    I want to avoid the hazzle of selfhosting. Did that for a long time. My current hoster isn't bad, it's just their webspace which is slow at times. I know, I could use CF in front, but that's a workaround, not a fix.

    Maybe I'll just choose their smallest package for mails and don't touch the webspace and use a VM for websites.



  • https://www.mailcheap.co/
    Haven't used, but highly recommended by colleagues. I have contacted sales/support for some very specific things and the answer was very fast and knowledgeable.



  • @dave_c said in Mail hosting:

    https://www.mailcheap.co/
    Haven't used, but highly recommended by colleagues. I have contacted sales/support for some very specific things and the answer was very fast and knowledgeable.

    Unlimited users, unlimited domains for just $2? That doesn't seem possible, other than their quota. It's not clear so that's a total quota for the account, so you only pay by the storage amount?



  • @scottalanmiller
    It is a quota for the account. I only cared about the dedicated and reseller plans.
    The servers are hosted on VMs on OVH Cloudunder OVH's Digital Launch Pad and the company is registered in Czech Republic; I would say that would explain the prices. You can contact them, they answer quickly.

    Anyway, I have no affiliation. They were an option as other colleagues recommended it heavily. In the end I need full control so I am hosting Mailcow



  • @dave_c said in Mail hosting:

    Anyway, I have no affiliation. They were an option as other colleagues recommended it heavily. In the end I need full control so I am hosting Mailcow

    How do they stack up to MailBear?



  • That website is sparse, very hard to tell what is there.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Mail hosting:

    @dave_c said in Mail hosting:

    Anyway, I have no affiliation. They were an option as other colleagues recommended it heavily. In the end I need full control so I am hosting Mailcow

    How do they stack up to MailBear?

    Lol hahahah, I see what you did there.



  • Jokes aside, Mailcow works very well and the author's support is awesome; this one I use and recommend.
    I would say that Mailcheap's web site has lots of information, but that's me. I don't use it as I host my own email (besides using Office 365/G Suite/others depending on the client). I just seemed to me that it checked all @thwr needs while being recommended by people I trust.
    $0.02


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