Network in industrial environments
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We got a pretty large lab, actually like an industrial hall. While still exploring the network I inherited, I found some simple 5 and 8 port switches which are mounted right onto the walls.
What might be a better approach in such an environment?
- buy industry / rugged switches and replace the desktop models?
- install one or more 19" network cabinets and run cables from there?
The more I think about this, the more I like the second approach - but it's probably way more expensive.
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Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
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@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
I'm afraid I need a few dozen ports down there
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@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
I'm afraid I need a few dozen ports down there
You'd run a single fiber line to a switch and patch panel, and have all of the endpoints connect to the new business class switch rather than this one on the wall.
Rather than having your main run broken into multiple ethernet lines that are then connected to this switch that is hung on the wall.
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@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
I'm afraid I need a few dozen ports down there
You'd run a single fiber line to a switch and patch panel, and have all of the endpoints connect to the new business class switch rather than this one on the wall.
Rather than having your main run broken into multiple ethernet lines that are then connected to this switch that is hung on the wall.
Yeah, that's what I thought: Run (fixed installation) cables from the different locations to a patch panel. Patch to a real switch. Run fibre back to core.
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@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
I'm afraid I need a few dozen ports down there
You'd run a single fiber line to a switch and patch panel, and have all of the endpoints connect to the new business class switch rather than this one on the wall.
Rather than having your main run broken into multiple ethernet lines that are then connected to this switch that is hung on the wall.
Run (fixed installation) cables from the different locations to a patch panel. Patch to a real switch. Run fibre back to core.
Yes.
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@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
I'm afraid I need a few dozen ports down there
You'd run a single fiber line to a switch and patch panel, and have all of the endpoints connect to the new business class switch rather than this one on the wall.
Rather than having your main run broken into multiple ethernet lines that are then connected to this switch that is hung on the wall.
Run (fixed installation) cables from the different locations to a patch panel. Patch to a real switch. Run fibre back to core.
Yes.
I think I need to do some calculations. Could be even cheaper than buying a dozen rugged switches.
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@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
I'm afraid I need a few dozen ports down there
You'd run a single fiber line to a switch and patch panel, and have all of the endpoints connect to the new business class switch rather than this one on the wall.
Rather than having your main run broken into multiple ethernet lines that are then connected to this switch that is hung on the wall.
Run (fixed installation) cables from the different locations to a patch panel. Patch to a real switch. Run fibre back to core.
Yes.
I think I need to do some calculations. Could be even cheaper than buying a dozen rugged switches.
Cable Jockies are cheap here in my part of the world.
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@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@dustinb3403 said in Network in industrial environments:
Run fiber from your main to the end points or a network closet that is within range of Ethernet for the computers.
Putting up small networking closets throughout is a pain.
I'm afraid I need a few dozen ports down there
You'd run a single fiber line to a switch and patch panel, and have all of the endpoints connect to the new business class switch rather than this one on the wall.
Rather than having your main run broken into multiple ethernet lines that are then connected to this switch that is hung on the wall.
Run (fixed installation) cables from the different locations to a patch panel. Patch to a real switch. Run fibre back to core.
Yes.
I think I need to do some calculations. Could be even cheaper than buying a dozen rugged switches.
Cable Jockies are cheap here in my part of the world.
Same here. Costs you just a kidney or two.
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@thwr You want this, or possibly a vented one with filters.
https://www.rackmountsolutions.net/hammond-en4dh162415lg/
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@jaredbusch said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr You want this.
https://www.rackmountsolutions.net/hammond-en4dh162415lg/
Jup, what I thought
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@thwr Note my edit.. Possibly one with filters and a fan. more maintenance, but if temperature is an issue, it will be better.
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@jaredbusch said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr Note my edit.. Possibly one with filters and a fan. more maintenance, but if temperature is an issue, it will be better.
Definitely. We got all kind of possible dangers there. Everything on a very high safety level, even for German standards. But we're working with mineral oil and misc. fluids, there's wood and metal swarfs and so on.
So a filter is not even a question
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@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@jaredbusch said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr Note my edit.. Possibly one with filters and a fan. more maintenance, but if temperature is an issue, it will be better.
Definitely. We got all kind of possible dangers there. Everything on a very high safety level, even for German standards. But we're working with mineral oil and misc. fluids, there's wood and metal swarfs and so on.
So a filter is not even a question
oh yeah, I would go NEMA no fan and filter. if it over heats and melts, jsut replace.
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@jaredbusch said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@jaredbusch said in Network in industrial environments:
@thwr Note my edit.. Possibly one with filters and a fan. more maintenance, but if temperature is an issue, it will be better.
Definitely. We got all kind of possible dangers there. Everything on a very high safety level, even for German standards. But we're working with mineral oil and misc. fluids, there's wood and metal swarfs and so on.
So a filter is not even a question
oh yeah, I would go NEMA no fan and filter. if it over heats and melts, jsut replace.
good point, thank you
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You could put in low cost EdgeSwitcheLite (the non PoE version)
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At a huge hog farm that I service. I used the Ubiquiti ToughSwitches. They stand up to the heat and the cold with no issues. I have them in hermetically sealed boxes. No air or water can get in, just the nature of the business, with all the ammonia from the poo and urine if left out the switches would corrode, and then they bring in water pressure jets to clean out the pig areas on a regular basis. I haven't had any fail in the three years they have been in.
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@jaredbusch said in Network in industrial environments:
You could put in low cost EdgeSwitcheLite (the non PoE version)
That's the idea. I don't have much need for PoE except for a few APs which will be powered with injectors.
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@thwr said in Network in industrial environments:
@jaredbusch said in Network in industrial environments:
You could put in low cost EdgeSwitcheLite (the non PoE version)
That's the idea. I don't have much need for PoE except for a few APs which will be powered with injectors.
Looks like the ES Lite is only in the 24 and 48 port variety..
https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgeswitch-lite/ -
@penguinwrangler said in Network in industrial environments:
At a huge hog farm that I service. I used the Ubiquiti ToughSwitches. They stand up to the heat and the cold with no issues. I have them in hermetically sealed boxes. No air or water can get in, just the nature of the business, with all the ammonia from the poo and urine if left out the switches would corrode, and then they bring in water pressure jets to clean out the pig areas on a regular basis. I haven't had any fail in the three years they have been in.
Now that's what I would call a harsh environment
Thank you, I've already had a quick look on them.
