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    2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      MD has no protection. Enterprise hardware RAID has non-volatile flash or at worst BBU protection. How is protection worse than no protection? MD leaves you exposed, enterprise hardware RAID does not.

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      • ObsolesceO
        Obsolesce
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        A good thing to have is a UPS that can start an auto-shutdown process when the battery gets to a certain level.

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        • K
          kuyaz @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller from what i read, the raid hardware card may fail to perform write during the power loss hence the risk.
          but if it is equipped with non-volatile flash (is it for high end card only or normally all raid card has it nowadays?), it should fine then.

          the raid card also add another point of failure (if the card fail).

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @kuyaz
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            @kuyaz said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

            @scottalanmiller from what i read, the raid hardware card may fail to perform write during the power loss hence the risk.
            but if it is equipped with non-volatile flash (is it for high end card only or normally all raid card has it nowadays?), it should fine then.

            the raid card also add another point of failure (if the card fail).

            You just need to ensure the card you buy has it. Nothing more, nothing’s less.
            As for card failure. I’ve never had a RAID card fail on me. Of course it’s always possible, that’s why we have backups.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @kuyaz
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              @kuyaz said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

              @scottalanmiller from what i read, the raid hardware card may fail to perform write during the power loss hence the risk.
              but if it is equipped with non-volatile flash (is it for high end card only or normally all raid card has it nowadays?), it should fine then.

              Correct. The software controller has the exact same risk, but without the ability to have BBR or flash to protect it. So software RAID is the same as hardware RAID in risk, but without the risk mitigation.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @kuyaz
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                @kuyaz said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                the raid card also add another point of failure (if the card fail).

                It's a trivial point of failure. Enterprise hardware RAID is insanely reliable and essentially never fail. When they do, it is as simple as replacing the card. So while it does add a point of failure, it protects you 1,000x more against lack of experience, misunderstandings, loss of power, and other problems with software RAID.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                  @dashrender said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                  As for card failure. I’ve never had a RAID card fail on me. Of course it’s always possible, that’s why we have backups.

                  RAID card failures 99.999% of the time only create downtime while awaiting a replacement card, not data loss.

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                    kuyaz
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                    Noted with thanks.

                    For RAID 1 or 10 is there any limitation that :

                    1. HDD must be the same model?
                    2. Both / all must be either SAS / SATA. Can we mix SATA and SAS HDD for RAID 1 / 10 ?

                    Thanks.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @kuyaz
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                      @kuyaz said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                      Noted with thanks.

                      For RAID 1 or 10 is there any limitation that :

                      1. HDD must be the same model?
                      2. Both / all must be either SAS / SATA. Can we mix SATA and SAS HDD for RAID 1 / 10 ?

                      Thanks.

                      All RAID has the “same drive” limitation. There is no RAID case where you want to mix drives. No matter what RAID level you use.

                      You can mix and match depending on your controller it has nothing to do with RAID. But never is it okay to do whether you can or not.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        Hybrid RAID is about mixing and matching. Watch this...

                        Youtube Video

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          Hardware and software RAID

                          Youtube Video

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                            @kuyaz said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                            since I use raid 1 for sata hdd. Can i upgrade to raid 10 in future without losing data? Assuming i use software raid MD.

                            No, there is really no software or controller that will let you move from RAID 1 to RAID 10. You will need to delete and recreate to do that.

                            You could create another RAID1 or 10 and add that as another physical volume to the LVM. @scottalanmiller is correct, you wouldn't change the RAID level.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                              @travisdh1 said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                              @scottalanmiller said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                              @kuyaz said in 2 RAID 1 or 1 RAID 10 for VM Server Host:

                              since I use raid 1 for sata hdd. Can i upgrade to raid 10 in future without losing data? Assuming i use software raid MD.

                              No, there is really no software or controller that will let you move from RAID 1 to RAID 10. You will need to delete and recreate to do that.

                              You could create another RAID1 or 10 and add that as another physical volume to the LVM. @scottalanmiller is correct, you wouldn't change the RAID level.

                              That ends up being a span, which sucks. You can do it when you have to, but it sucks.

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