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    • mlnews
      mlnews last edited by

      The Apple world has long depended heavily on their home-grown HFS and later HFS+ filesystems. These filesystems are highly dated and have been a point of embarrassment in the Mac world for a very long time. Apple made an attempt several years ago to try to include ZFS as an alternative to HFS+, but this experiment ultimately failed. But with the release of macOS 10.13 High Sierra Apple is bringing their own, new filesystem as the default on macOS: APFS.

      The performance tests done by Phoronix comparing macOS 10.12 Sierra with HFS+ and macOS 10.13 High Sierra with APFS show a dramatic improvement in performance.

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      • black3dynamite
        black3dynamite last edited by

        What's Apple reason for not using EXT, XFS, Btfrs...?

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        • mlnews
          mlnews @black3dynamite last edited by

          @black3dynamite said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

          What's Apple reason for not using EXT, XFS, Btfrs...?

          Licensing. Those are GPL'd making them very difficult for Apple to use. Plus publicity, having to depend on Linux to "fix" things that Apple could not do doesn't look great.

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          • Reid Cooper
            Reid Cooper last edited by

            Do old systems convert when you update them? Or do you have to do fresh installs in order to get it?

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            • scottalanmiller
              scottalanmiller @Reid Cooper last edited by

              @reid-cooper said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

              Do old systems convert when you update them? Or do you have to do fresh installs in order to get it?

              What I've seen says that when you update the OS that the FS is updated automatically with it.

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              • Reid Cooper
                Reid Cooper last edited by

                That's pretty good, then. Nice upgrade path. If the speed difference is really that great, it will be worth updating for the new filesystem performance alone!

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                • Kelly
                  Kelly last edited by

                  My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                  Example: You can no longer add SMIME public keys to the default keychain. We have to add our entire org as a new keychain which is fun when someone new starts.

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                  • coliver
                    coliver @Kelly last edited by

                    @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                    My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                    Example: You can no longer add SMIME public keys to the default keychain. We have to add our entire org as a new keychain which is fun when someone new starts.

                    Apple has power users? That's news to them.

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                    • Kelly
                      Kelly @coliver last edited by

                      @coliver said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                      @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                      My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                      Example: You can no longer add SMIME public keys to the default keychain. We have to add our entire org as a new keychain which is fun when someone new starts.

                      Apple has power users? That's news to them.

                      Eggzactry

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                      • scottalanmiller
                        scottalanmiller @Kelly last edited by

                        @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                        My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                        Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

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                        • Kelly
                          Kelly @scottalanmiller last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                          @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                          My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                          Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

                          And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.

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                          • scottalanmiller
                            scottalanmiller @Kelly last edited by

                            @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                            @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                            @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                            My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                            Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

                            And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.

                            Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.

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                            • Kelly
                              Kelly @scottalanmiller last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                              @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                              @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                              @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                              My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                              Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

                              And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.

                              Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.

                              Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.

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                              • scottalanmiller
                                scottalanmiller @Kelly last edited by

                                @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                                Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

                                And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.

                                Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.

                                Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.

                                Right, that much I get.

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                                • JaredBusch
                                  JaredBusch @Kelly last edited by

                                  @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                  @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                  @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                  My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                                  Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

                                  And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.

                                  Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.

                                  Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.

                                  I upgraded on release day and have never had a problem with Office365 email on my iPhone 7

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                                  • Kelly
                                    Kelly @JaredBusch last edited by

                                    @jaredbusch said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                    @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                    @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                    @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                    My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                                    Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

                                    And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.

                                    Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.

                                    Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.

                                    I upgraded on release day and have never had a problem with Office365 email on my iPhone 7

                                    I didn't either, but there were more than a few that did based on the post from both Microsoft and Apple and their forums.

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                                    • scottalanmiller
                                      scottalanmiller last edited by

                                      I'm surprised, I've not gotten the update yet. Not trying to get it, but I figured it would have been pushed out by now.

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                                      • SmithErick
                                        SmithErick @JaredBusch last edited by

                                        @jaredbusch said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                        @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                        @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                        @kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                        My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.

                                        Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?

                                        And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.

                                        Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.

                                        Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.

                                        I upgraded on release day and have never had a problem with Office365 email on my iPhone 7

                                        Same here, no issues, I almost feel like I had a slight delay since upgrading to 11.0.1
                                        No issues with the new APFS filesystem on my MBP either, which surprised me

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                                        • s.hackleman
                                          s.hackleman last edited by

                                          I didn't even realize mine changed. The update took about 45 min, rebooted twice. I didn't think it would change the file system without me doing a backup and offline update. Just checked, and sure enough I'm on APFS.

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                                          • scottalanmiller
                                            scottalanmiller @s.hackleman last edited by

                                            @s-hackleman said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:

                                            I didn't even realize mine changed. The update took about 45 min, rebooted twice. I didn't think it would change the file system without me doing a backup and offline update. Just checked, and sure enough I'm on APFS.

                                            Nice. Is it noticeably faster?

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