macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem
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The Apple world has long depended heavily on their home-grown HFS and later HFS+ filesystems. These filesystems are highly dated and have been a point of embarrassment in the Mac world for a very long time. Apple made an attempt several years ago to try to include ZFS as an alternative to HFS+, but this experiment ultimately failed. But with the release of macOS 10.13 High Sierra Apple is bringing their own, new filesystem as the default on macOS: APFS.
The performance tests done by Phoronix comparing macOS 10.12 Sierra with HFS+ and macOS 10.13 High Sierra with APFS show a dramatic improvement in performance.
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What's Apple reason for not using EXT, XFS, Btfrs...?
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@black3dynamite said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
What's Apple reason for not using EXT, XFS, Btfrs...?
Licensing. Those are GPL'd making them very difficult for Apple to use. Plus publicity, having to depend on Linux to "fix" things that Apple could not do doesn't look great.
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Do old systems convert when you update them? Or do you have to do fresh installs in order to get it?
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@reid-cooper said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
Do old systems convert when you update them? Or do you have to do fresh installs in order to get it?
What I've seen says that when you update the OS that the FS is updated automatically with it.
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That's pretty good, then. Nice upgrade path. If the speed difference is really that great, it will be worth updating for the new filesystem performance alone!
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My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Example: You can no longer add SMIME public keys to the default keychain. We have to add our entire org as a new keychain which is fun when someone new starts.
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@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Example: You can no longer add SMIME public keys to the default keychain. We have to add our entire org as a new keychain which is fun when someone new starts.
Apple has power users? That's news to them.
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@coliver said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Example: You can no longer add SMIME public keys to the default keychain. We have to add our entire org as a new keychain which is fun when someone new starts.
Apple has power users? That's news to them.
Eggzactry
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@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
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@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.
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@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.
Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.
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@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.
Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.
Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.
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@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.
Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.
Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.
Right, that much I get.
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@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.
Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.
Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.
I upgraded on release day and have never had a problem with Office365 email on my iPhone 7
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@jaredbusch said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.
Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.
Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.
I upgraded on release day and have never had a problem with Office365 email on my iPhone 7
I didn't either, but there were more than a few that did based on the post from both Microsoft and Apple and their forums.
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I'm surprised, I've not gotten the update yet. Not trying to get it, but I figured it would have been pushed out by now.
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@jaredbusch said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
And broke Mail.app working with Office365. Apple is not what Apple was.
Is that fixed now? I know there was a recent break with that somewhere, but they were issuing a fix.
Looks like it is fixed now: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208136. That said, they ignored beta input and just pushed iOS 11.
I upgraded on release day and have never had a problem with Office365 email on my iPhone 7
Same here, no issues, I almost feel like I had a slight delay since upgrading to 11.0.1
No issues with the new APFS filesystem on my MBP either, which surprised me
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I didn't even realize mine changed. The update took about 45 min, rebooted twice. I didn't think it would change the file system without me doing a backup and offline update. Just checked, and sure enough I'm on APFS.
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@s-hackleman said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
I didn't even realize mine changed. The update took about 45 min, rebooted twice. I didn't think it would change the file system without me doing a backup and offline update. Just checked, and sure enough I'm on APFS.
Nice. Is it noticeably faster?
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Isn't the file system change dependent on whether or not you install the OS on an SSD?
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@scottalanmiller I haven't been working on anything big in the last couple days. I also updated to VMWare Fusion 10 Pro from 8. It has made my dev VM's noticeably more snappy. I'm not 100% sure if that is the file system, VMWare's hardware changes, or spooky magic, but I'll take it.
On another note why is everyone now Skipping version 9? iPhone 8 >iPhone X (10), VMWare Fusion 8 > 10, Windows 8.1 > 10... What is going on?
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@rojoloco said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
Isn't the file system change dependent on whether or not you install the OS on an SSD?
Late 2013 Macbook Pro with a 1 TB SSD here, installed filesystem on update by default.
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@s-hackleman said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller I haven't been working on anything big in the last couple days. I also updated to VMWare Fusion 10 Pro from 8. It has made my dev VM's noticeably more snappy. I'm not 100% sure if that is the file system, VMWare's hardware changes, or spooky magic, but I'll take it.
On another note why is everyone now Skipping version 9? iPhone 8 >iPhone X (10), VMWare Fusion 8 > 10, Windows 8.1 > 10... What is going on?
Californians can't count?
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@rojoloco Yes, it is dependant of your drive being SSD. If you want to avoid it, you create a backup and upgrade using a HDD. Then clone the HDD to a SSD drive.
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@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
I have had issues with this for years, here.
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@wrx7m said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
I have had issues with this for years, here.
Replace Finder
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@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@wrx7m said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
I have had issues with this for years, here.
Replace Finder
Replace Mac with PC
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@wrx7m said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@wrx7m said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
I have had issues with this for years, here.
Replace Finder
Replace Mac with PC
Well sure, if you want a FIX rather than a bandaid.
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@wrx7m said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@wrx7m said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@scottalanmiller said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
@kelly said in macOS 10.13 High Sierra Coming with APFS Filesystem:
My concern is with what it will break. Each macOS release has broken something for us, and some of them go into the "just live with it" category because Apple appears to be completely unresponsive to their power user community.
Like how they broke SMB and AFP protocols and just ignore it?
I have had issues with this for years, here.
Replace Finder
Replace Mac with PC
As soon as I can have a POSIX native environment with Microsoft Office I will be. I'm really, really hoping for Office for Linux to come out soon.
