Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?
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@stacksofplates said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
So admittedly I didn't read through the whole thread just the first couple pages. I'm pretty sure we use XenDesktop for this. We have some guys who use a laptop and they get a VDI session with a dedicated graphics card. Then they run SolidEdge,SpaceClaim, or ANSYS Workbench to do their work.
I know a company that uses XenDesktop for Solid Edge and are really happy with it, despite only being a 20 person company.
It seems 2016 Server has done a lot to catch up with XenDesktop though now that I am playing with it.
While Azure has special VM's built for this I dont think GPU is an option on Vultr though.
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Also it does seem if you want to use Azure you can eliminate SQL and 2 domain contrllers leveraging Azure SQL and Azure AAD.
I am going to try running Vultr servers for the Gateways and internal servers, linking them to AAD today. I feel like this will end up being a premise based deployment though for us.
Its nice that you can replicated everything to the cloud for DR, but man Azure's new GUI sure is a headache compared to the one I was using a couple years back.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Also it does seem if you want to use Azure you can eliminate SQL and 2 domain contrllers leveraging Azure SQL and Azure AAD.
Yes, AWS offers their own database options too. As does Rackspace.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Its nice that you can replicated everything to the cloud for DR, but man Azure's new GUI sure is a headache compared to the one I was using a couple years back.
Hard to believe that it could get worse
The terrible interfaces and unintuitive system are some of the reasons that I like to avoid it. It is a huge pain to do anything on it compared to the alternatives.But things like capacity based MS SQL Server are big bonuses of it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Also it does seem if you want to use Azure you can eliminate SQL and 2 domain contrllers leveraging Azure SQL and Azure AAD.
Yes, AWS offers their own database options too. As does Rackspace.
Yeah but no 2016 Server yet? I will say that I have seen video games streamed on 2012 on AWS videos a while back so I am excited to see what 2016 can do with a dedicated GPU.
But am I alone that I would still rather have this on-prem?
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Its nice that you can replicated everything to the cloud for DR, but man Azure's new GUI sure is a headache compared to the one I was using a couple years back.
Hard to believe that it could get worse
The terrible interfaces and unintuitive system are some of the reasons that I like to avoid it. It is a huge pain to do anything on it compared to the alternatives.But things like capacity based MS SQL Server are big bonuses of it.
And yeah it is amazingly worst. And I still hate that the RDS Gateways are a requirement. It complicated an otherwise simple installation for a small setup like ours. If we are lucky we MAY have 20 people by end of year and I doubt we add a person or two per year at peak growth.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
But am I alone that I would still rather have this on-prem?
I never "want" on prem anything. I hate on prem. Sometimes for latency it's the way to go, but I'm never happy about it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
But am I alone that I would still rather have this on-prem?
I never "want" on prem anything. I hate on prem. Sometimes for latency it's the way to go, but I'm never happy about it.
Just because we have no servers at the moment I am going to give it a go with Vultr. I am even running a couple broadsoft switches there now. Whenever there has been latency it seems to be in Chicago's DC and usually late at nights or weekends.
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@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Its nice that you can replicated everything to the cloud for DR, but man Azure's new GUI sure is a headache compared to the one I was using a couple years back.
Hard to believe that it could get worse
The terrible interfaces and unintuitive system are some of the reasons that I like to avoid it. It is a huge pain to do anything on it compared to the alternatives.But things like capacity based MS SQL Server are big bonuses of it.
And yeah it is amazingly worst. And I still hate that the RDS Gateways are a requirement. It complicated an otherwise simple installation for a small setup like ours. If we are lucky we MAY have 20 people by end of year and I doubt we add a person or two per year at peak growth.
What makes you require an RDS gateway?
Perhaps instead of on Prem, you should go for Colo. You're own hardware with your own firewalls.
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Wow, what a thread. For a smaller number of users, I think RDSH is the way to go. I am currently running a small farm of Remote Apps with this on Server 2012 R2 servers. (I have 60-something apps available to end-users) across 8 servers (6 Virtual for regular apps, and 2 Physical for heavy hitters like Photoshop and Premiere).
Our apps range from a Windows 3.1-ish look and feel up to Office 2013 (soon to be 2016!) and heavy hitters like Adobe Photoshop, and Adobe Premiere. And thus far, from our users, we rarely hear performance complaints.
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@dafyre said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Wow, what a thread. For a smaller number of users, I think RDSH is the way to go. I am currently running a small farm of Remote Apps with this on Server 2012 R2 servers. (I have 60-something apps available to end-users) across 8 servers (6 Virtual for regular apps, and 2 Physical for heavy hitters like Photoshop and Premiere).
Our apps range from a Windows 3.1-ish look and feel up to Office 2013 (soon to be 2016!) and heavy hitters like Adobe Photoshop, and Adobe Premiere. And thus far, from our users, we rarely hear performance complaints.
That's a pretty big farm for an SMB.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@dafyre said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Wow, what a thread. For a smaller number of users, I think RDSH is the way to go. I am currently running a small farm of Remote Apps with this on Server 2012 R2 servers. (I have 60-something apps available to end-users) across 8 servers (6 Virtual for regular apps, and 2 Physical for heavy hitters like Photoshop and Premiere).
Our apps range from a Windows 3.1-ish look and feel up to Office 2013 (soon to be 2016!) and heavy hitters like Adobe Photoshop, and Adobe Premiere. And thus far, from our users, we rarely hear performance complaints.
That's a pretty big farm for an SMB.
College for the win, lol. It counts each individual program in something like Office as a separate App, so a large portion of that are suites, like Office, and Adobe products.
RDSH 2012 R2 isn't as big of a pain to set up as I see most people saying. The biggest issue I've had with it is actually getting SSO to work consistently, and I figured that out at the end of last week.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Its nice that you can replicated everything to the cloud for DR, but man Azure's new GUI sure is a headache compared to the one I was using a couple years back.
Hard to believe that it could get worse
The terrible interfaces and unintuitive system are some of the reasons that I like to avoid it. It is a huge pain to do anything on it compared to the alternatives.But things like capacity based MS SQL Server are big bonuses of it.
And yeah it is amazingly worst. And I still hate that the RDS Gateways are a requirement. It complicated an otherwise simple installation for a small setup like ours. If we are lucky we MAY have 20 people by end of year and I doubt we add a person or two per year at peak growth.
What makes you require an RDS gateway?
Perhaps instead of on Prem, you should go for Colo. You're own hardware with your own firewalls.
I'm not aware of them ever being required.
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Its nice that you can replicated everything to the cloud for DR, but man Azure's new GUI sure is a headache compared to the one I was using a couple years back.
Hard to believe that it could get worse
The terrible interfaces and unintuitive system are some of the reasons that I like to avoid it. It is a huge pain to do anything on it compared to the alternatives.But things like capacity based MS SQL Server are big bonuses of it.
And yeah it is amazingly worst. And I still hate that the RDS Gateways are a requirement. It complicated an otherwise simple installation for a small setup like ours. If we are lucky we MAY have 20 people by end of year and I doubt we add a person or two per year at peak growth.
What makes you require an RDS gateway?
Perhaps instead of on Prem, you should go for Colo. You're own hardware with your own firewalls.
I'm not aware of them ever being required.
This is what I was getting at. If he's forced to use RDS gateways at Vultr, it because he can't control the firewall and doesn't want RDP directly on the internet (which RDS gives you anyway I believe, but default) then moving to colo would possibly allow him to solve this.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@bigbear said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
Its nice that you can replicated everything to the cloud for DR, but man Azure's new GUI sure is a headache compared to the one I was using a couple years back.
Hard to believe that it could get worse
The terrible interfaces and unintuitive system are some of the reasons that I like to avoid it. It is a huge pain to do anything on it compared to the alternatives.But things like capacity based MS SQL Server are big bonuses of it.
And yeah it is amazingly worst. And I still hate that the RDS Gateways are a requirement. It complicated an otherwise simple installation for a small setup like ours. If we are lucky we MAY have 20 people by end of year and I doubt we add a person or two per year at peak growth.
What makes you require an RDS gateway?
Perhaps instead of on Prem, you should go for Colo. You're own hardware with your own firewalls.
I'm not aware of them ever being required.
This is what I was getting at. If he's forced to use RDS gateways at Vultr, it because he can't control the firewall and doesn't want RDP directly on the internet (which RDS gives you anyway I believe, but default) then moving to colo would possibly allow him to solve this.
Yeah, but he DOESN'T need it, you see. That's the thing.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
... then moving to colo would possibly allow him to solve this.
How? Same issues exist. Same solutions exist.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
... it because he can't control the firewall and doesn't want RDP directly on the internet ....
Leaps of logic or missed things leading to more bad things. What firewall has he lost control of and how does that cause this issue? How does any amount of not wanting RDP directly on the Internet lead to "RDS being required"?
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@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
... then moving to colo would possibly allow him to solve this.
How? Same issues exist. Same solutions exist.
How do you put VPS behind a VPN at a system like Vultr? It's a network engineering question I don't know the answer to.
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
... then moving to colo would possibly allow him to solve this.
How? Same issues exist. Same solutions exist.
How do you put VPS behind a VPN at a system like Vultr? It's a network engineering question I don't know the answer to.
But let me take a stab.
so don't respond yetWould you setup a VPN server on a host at Vultr (or anywhere really), and then set it up so the Vultr instances are only allowed to talk to the IPs from that VPN server?
all things taking place on the same interface on the VPN server?
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@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@scottalanmiller said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
@Dashrender said in Has Windows 10 VDI Licensing changed yet?:
... then moving to colo would possibly allow him to solve this.
How? Same issues exist. Same solutions exist.
How do you put VPS behind a VPN at a system like Vultr? It's a network engineering question I don't know the answer to.
Again, assumptions. Why is a VPN needed? Where did that come from?
And... you put it behind one the same that you do anywhere else. There's nothing special here. How would you do it at a colo or at home or at the office? Same way here.
