I moved to Linux!
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@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@aaronstuder said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller Have you used boxes? Very impressive.....
No, I looked at it very briefly and it seemed a little neat but there was something that it didn't do and it just didn't have anything that I wanted. I use VirtualBox when I need VMs on Linux.
Why use VirtualBox when you have the much more capable and performant KVM included in any distribution?
Tried both. One worked great. One did nothing.
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@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@aaronstuder said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller Have you used boxes? Very impressive.....
No, I looked at it very briefly and it seemed a little neat but there was something that it didn't do and it just didn't have anything that I wanted. I use VirtualBox when I need VMs on Linux.
Why use VirtualBox when you have the much more capable and performant KVM included in any distribution?
Tried both. One worked great. One did nothing.
I use KVM all of the time on mine and it's great. Not sure what your issue is.
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@stacksofplates said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@aaronstuder said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller Have you used boxes? Very impressive.....
No, I looked at it very briefly and it seemed a little neat but there was something that it didn't do and it just didn't have anything that I wanted. I use VirtualBox when I need VMs on Linux.
Why use VirtualBox when you have the much more capable and performant KVM included in any distribution?
Tried both. One worked great. One did nothing.
I use KVM all of the time on mine and it's great. Not sure what your issue is.
Issues are with Boxes. It just did... nothing.
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@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@aaronstuder said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller Have you used boxes? Very impressive.....
No, I looked at it very briefly and it seemed a little neat but there was something that it didn't do and it just didn't have anything that I wanted. I use VirtualBox when I need VMs on Linux.
Why use VirtualBox when you have the much more capable and performant KVM included in any distribution?
Tried both. One worked great. One did nothing.
I use KVM all of the time on mine and it's great. Not sure what your issue is.
Issues are with Boxes. It just did... nothing.
Ah I thought you meant KVM. Ya I used it once and was not impressed. I stick with VirtManager and virsh.
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@stacksofplates said in I moved to Linux!:
Ah I thought you meant KVM. Ya I used it once and was not impressed. I stick with VirtManager and virsh.
How long ago with that? I am still super impressed with it, but I wonder if a lot has changed since you lasted tried it.
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The move to Linux has been on my mind for about a year now. I am doing more on that platform (notice I didn't call it an OS). There are some things that I am still unsure about, but as I am just getting the day on, can't think of right off the time ...
In looking over the day's tasks, both NTG and personal, nearly all I do is web based; Screen Connect, Tickets, research etc - all done via Chrome, Firefox and Chromium.
There is a few applications I uses that are Windows based, but there are similar Linux Based versions, so I can function.
I've used:
- Gimp
- VLC
- Pithos
- x2GO
Hve to look at the other applications.
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@aaronstuder said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates said in I moved to Linux!:
Ah I thought you meant KVM. Ya I used it once and was not impressed. I stick with VirtManager and virsh.
How long ago with that? I am still super impressed with it, but I wonder if a lot has changed since you lasted tried it.
So the last time I used it you couldn't add a second drive to the VM, let alone set any caching prefs, add devices, or do device passthrough.
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I'm also pretty sure you can't choose what it stores the images, unless you have Virt-Manager set up also. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of it.
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@stacksofplates said in I moved to Linux!:
I'm also pretty sure you can't choose what it stores the images, unless you have Virt-Manager set up also. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of it.
That would do it for me, since I have a separate filesystem for my VMs.
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@stacksofplates I don't think anything you wrote about KVM is true, and it never was true also. I don't think I'm biased towards KVM in any way, I use more vSphere and XS hosts than KVM ones as of today, but… KVM and the standard toolstack has everything. At least, anything apart from some very new and particular GPU or latency-related stuff that only ESXi and customized (AWS!) Xen have. But of course, the basic and advanced stuff are absolutely covered. Every single thing.
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@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates I don't think anything you wrote about KVM is true, and it never was true also. I don't think I'm biased towards KVM in any way, I use more vSphere and XS hosts than KVM ones as of today, but… KVM and the standard toolstack has everything. At least, anything apart from some very new and particular GPU or latency-related stuff that only ESXi and customized (AWS!) Xen have. But of course, the basic and advanced stuff are absolutely covered. Every single thing.
He's talking about Boxes, not KVM.
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@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates I don't think anything you wrote about KVM is true, and it never was true also. I don't think I'm biased towards KVM in any way, I use more vSphere and XS hosts than KVM ones as of today, but… KVM and the standard toolstack has everything. At least, anything apart from some very new and particular GPU or latency-related stuff that only ESXi and customized (AWS!) Xen have. But of course, the basic and advanced stuff are absolutely covered. Every single thing.
He's talking about Boxes, not KVM.
Oh, ok, now it makes sense! Never heard about Boxes… libvirt is really anything you need for KVM. Maybe virt-manager, if you are used to XenCenter-like administration…
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@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates I don't think anything you wrote about KVM is true, and it never was true also. I don't think I'm biased towards KVM in any way, I use more vSphere and XS hosts than KVM ones as of today, but… KVM and the standard toolstack has everything. At least, anything apart from some very new and particular GPU or latency-related stuff that only ESXi and customized (AWS!) Xen have. But of course, the basic and advanced stuff are absolutely covered. Every single thing.
He's talking about Boxes, not KVM.
Oh, ok, now it makes sense! Never heard about Boxes… libvirt is really anything you need for KVM. Maybe virt-manager, if you are used to XenCenter-like administration…
Boxes is a VERY nascent KVM front end. I'm playing with it right now, it's neat that it uses KVM with local console redirect. But it needs some polishing, the interface is awkward and missing a lot of basic features.
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@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates I don't think anything you wrote about KVM is true, and it never was true also. I don't think I'm biased towards KVM in any way, I use more vSphere and XS hosts than KVM ones as of today, but… KVM and the standard toolstack has everything. At least, anything apart from some very new and particular GPU or latency-related stuff that only ESXi and customized (AWS!) Xen have. But of course, the basic and advanced stuff are absolutely covered. Every single thing.
He's talking about Boxes, not KVM.
Oh, ok, now it makes sense! Never heard about Boxes… libvirt is really anything you need for KVM. Maybe virt-manager, if you are used to XenCenter-like administration…
Boxes is a VERY nascent KVM front end. I'm playing with it right now, it's neat that it uses KVM with local console redirect. But it needs some polishing, the interface is awkward and missing a lot of basic features.
Why use Boxes when virt-manager and virsh are mature and already in place?
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@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates I don't think anything you wrote about KVM is true, and it never was true also. I don't think I'm biased towards KVM in any way, I use more vSphere and XS hosts than KVM ones as of today, but… KVM and the standard toolstack has everything. At least, anything apart from some very new and particular GPU or latency-related stuff that only ESXi and customized (AWS!) Xen have. But of course, the basic and advanced stuff are absolutely covered. Every single thing.
Not talking about KVM. I have multiple KVM hosts at work and at home. I was explaining to Aaron why boxes isn't useful.
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@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@scottalanmiller said in I moved to Linux!:
@Francesco-Provino said in I moved to Linux!:
@stacksofplates I don't think anything you wrote about KVM is true, and it never was true also. I don't think I'm biased towards KVM in any way, I use more vSphere and XS hosts than KVM ones as of today, but… KVM and the standard toolstack has everything. At least, anything apart from some very new and particular GPU or latency-related stuff that only ESXi and customized (AWS!) Xen have. But of course, the basic and advanced stuff are absolutely covered. Every single thing.
He's talking about Boxes, not KVM.
Oh, ok, now it makes sense! Never heard about Boxes… libvirt is really anything you need for KVM. Maybe virt-manager, if you are used to XenCenter-like administration…
Boxes is a VERY nascent KVM front end. I'm playing with it right now, it's neat that it uses KVM with local console redirect. But it needs some polishing, the interface is awkward and missing a lot of basic features.
Ya it's weird. Virt-Manager gives you 1000% more and you can get console output from virsh, so I never saw the draw to it.
