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    XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!

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      CitrixNewbJD @momurda
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      @momurda

      I've been using the root authentication for everything.

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        CitrixNewbJD @seal
        last edited by

        @seal

        Frank, can we speak on the phone for a minute so I can be sure I can intelligently talk to the guy when demanding his money?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @CitrixNewbJD
          last edited by

          @CitrixNewbJD said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

          @momurda

          Having been through this once before, and learning the hard way, I do normally have a physical DC.

          This is absolutely the wrong response. You should never have a physical DC, ever. There is zero issues here with virtualization. There are two problems....

          • Zero AD redundancy
          • An inverted pyramid of doom (single storage for all systems)

          Fixing either of those anti-practices would have saved you. Physical would have zero benefit and is the polar opposite of the reaction that you should have.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @CitrixNewbJD
            last edited by

            @CitrixNewbJD said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

            @momurda

            I've been using the root authentication for everything.

            So we are safe there.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              More on the IPOD: http://www.smbitjournal.com/2013/06/the-inverted-pyramid-of-doom/

              And in video form from MangoCon:

              Youtube Video

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                CitrixNewbJD
                last edited by

                So, when looking for places to turn off AD integration, I see this...

                0_1482873847039_Screenshot 2016-12-27 15.23.59.png

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  It's not pool integration that is the issue, it's SAN integration. Check the SAN (PowerVault) interface instead.

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                    CitrixNewbJD
                    last edited by

                    @seal Just came across these two items on the SAN interface. Dental_Data, Spindlemedia, are critical and it looks like those VDs failed.

                    PROFILE FOR STORAGE ARRAY: MDS-Spindle01 (12/27/16 3:28:58 PM) 
                     
                     
                    STANDARD VIRTUAL DISKS------------------------------ 
                     
                    SUMMARY 
                     
                       Number of standard virtual disks: 3 
                     
                       See other Virtual Disks sub-tabs for premium feature information. 
                     
                     
                       NAME          STATUS  CAPACITY  RAID LEVEL  DISK GROUP  DRIVE TYPE   
                       Dental_Data   Failed  1.495 TB  5           0           SAS          
                       SpindleMedia  Failed  2.862 TB  5           0           SAS          
                       Virtual       Failed  1.367 TB  5           0           SAS          
                     
                    DETAILS 
                     
                     
                       Virtual Disk name:                      Dental_Data                                       
                                                                                                                 
                          Virtual Disk status:                 Failed                                            
                                                                                                                 
                          Capacity:                            1.495 TB                                          
                          Virtual Disk world-wide identifier:  60:02:4e:80:00:7b:78:6a:00:00:04:13:4a:96:70:f3   
                          Subsystem ID (SSID):                 1                                                 
                          Associated disk group:               0                                                 
                          RAID level:                          5                                                 
                                                                                                                 
                          Physical Disk type:                  Serial Attached SCSI (SAS)                        
                          Enclosure loss protection:           No                                                
                                                                                                                 
                          Preferred owner:                     RAID Controller Module in slot 1                  
                          Current owner:                       RAID Controller Module in slot 1                  
                     
                     
                          Segment size:                                       128 KB     
                          Capacity reserved for future segment size changes:  Yes        
                          Maximum future segment size:                        2,048 KB   
                          Modification priority:                              High       
                     
                     
                          Read cache:                            Enabled    
                          Write cache:                           Enabled    
                             Write cache without batteries:      Disabled   
                             Write cache with mirroring:         Enabled    
                          Flush write cache after (in seconds):  10.00      
                          Dynamic cache read prefetch:           Enabled    
                                                                            
                          Enable background media scan:          Enabled    
                          Media scan with consistency check:     Enabled    
                                                                            
                          Pre-Read consistency check:            Disabled   
                     
                     
                       Virtual Disk name:                      SpindleMedia                                      
                                                                                                                 
                          Virtual Disk status:                 Failed                                            
                                                                                                                 
                          Capacity:                            2.862 TB                                          
                          Virtual Disk world-wide identifier:  60:02:4e:80:00:70:ed:06:00:00:07:f5:4d:ba:7b:fb   
                          Subsystem ID (SSID):                 2                                                 
                          Associated disk group:               0                                                 
                          RAID level:                          5                                                 
                                                                                                                 
                          Physical Disk type:                  Serial Attached SCSI (SAS)                        
                          Enclosure loss protection:           No                                                
                                                                                                                 
                          Preferred owner:                     RAID Controller Module in slot 0                  
                          Current owner:                       RAID Controller Module in slot 1                  
                     
                     
                          Segment size:                                       128 KB     
                          Capacity reserved for future segment size changes:  Yes        
                          Maximum future segment size:                        2,048 KB   
                          Modification priority:                              High       
                     
                     
                          Read cache:                            Enabled    
                          Write cache:                           Enabled    
                             Write cache without batteries:      Disabled   
                             Write cache with mirroring:         Enabled    
                          Flush write cache after (in seconds):  10.00      
                          Dynamic cache read prefetch:           Enabled    
                                                                            
                          Enable background media scan:          Enabled    
                          Media scan with consistency check:     Enabled    
                                                                            
                          Pre-Read consistency check:            Disabled   
                     
                     
                       Virtual Disk name:                      Virtual                                           
                                                                                                                 
                          Virtual Disk status:                 Failed                                            
                                                                                                                 
                          Capacity:                            1.367 TB                                          
                          Virtual Disk world-wide identifier:  60:02:4e:80:00:70:ed:06:00:00:04:31:4a:96:73:09   
                          Subsystem ID (SSID):                 0                                                 
                          Associated disk group:               0                                                 
                          RAID level:                          5                                                 
                                                                                                                 
                          Physical Disk type:                  Serial Attached SCSI (SAS)                        
                          Enclosure loss protection:           No                                                
                                                                                                                 
                          Preferred owner:                     RAID Controller Module in slot 0                  
                          Current owner:                       RAID Controller Module in slot 1                  
                     
                     
                          Segment size:                                       128 KB     
                          Capacity reserved for future segment size changes:  Yes        
                          Maximum future segment size:                        2,048 KB   
                          Modification priority:                              High       
                     
                     
                          Read cache:                            Enabled    
                          Write cache:                           Enabled    
                             Write cache without batteries:      Disabled   
                             Write cache with mirroring:         Enabled    
                          Flush write cache after (in seconds):  10.00      
                          Dynamic cache read prefetch:           Enabled    
                                                                            
                          Enable background media scan:          Enabled    
                          Media scan with consistency check:     Enabled    
                                                                            
                          Pre-Read consistency check:            Disabled   
                    

                    0_1482874726865_Screenshot 2016-12-27 15.38.36.png

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      Oh look, on top of everything else, they left you with RAID 5, too. Figures. Whoever set this up really set you up for failure.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        Your predecessor definitely pulled this on you: https://mangolassi.it/topic/11852/why-it-builds-a-house-of-cards

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          Looks like, on top of other problems, the SAN has died. It's hard to tell from this, but it looks like those are the LUNs that hold all of your VMs?

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                          • momurdaM
                            momurda
                            last edited by

                            So 2 drives failed at once? You should be able to go into the server room and see some sort of blinky light pattern that indicates what/how many drives are gone.
                            Did you lose a RAID Controller?

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                            • NerdyDadN
                              NerdyDad
                              last edited by

                              Dear God I pray that you have backups outside of the environment. Please tell me that you do. Another NAS, tapes, diskettes, something?

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @momurda
                                last edited by

                                @momurda said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                So 2 drives failed at once? You should be able to go into the server room and see some sort of blinky light pattern that indicates what/how many drives are gone.
                                Did you lose a RAID Controller?

                                It's a dual controller device. So in theory it should fail over. But in reality, they rarely do.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @NerdyDad
                                  last edited by

                                  @NerdyDad said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                  Dear God I pray that you have backups outside of the environment. Please tell me that you do. Another NAS, tapes, diskettes, something?

                                  At this point, recovering from backup to a new cluster might be the best way to go. The SAN is worthless if the arrays have failed. And the local servers probably don't have the necessary storage to run without it. If the array is really lost, the old hardware has probably dropped to a zero value level. Time to get something new in and recover to that ASAP.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                    @momurda said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                    So 2 drives failed at once? You should be able to go into the server room and see some sort of blinky light pattern that indicates what/how many drives are gone.
                                    Did you lose a RAID Controller?

                                    It's a dual controller device. So in theory it should fail over. But in reality, they rarely do.

                                    But if drives are lost, that won't help.

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                                    • sealS
                                      seal
                                      last edited by

                                      Isn't this saying the virtual drives for each failed? This should be different than a physical drive failure, right? Or am I reading something wrong?

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                        @CitrixNewbJD said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                        @momurda

                                        Having been through this once before, and learning the hard way, I do normally have a physical DC.

                                        This is absolutely the wrong response. You should never have a physical DC, ever. There is zero issues here with virtualization. There are two problems....

                                        • Zero AD redundancy
                                        • An inverted pyramid of doom (single storage for all systems)

                                        Fixing either of those anti-practices would have saved you. Physical would have zero benefit and is the polar opposite of the reaction that you should have.

                                        having a physical in this situation would have probably saved him. That said, I agree it's not the solution. If you really wanted to have a DC outside this cluster, fine, but you still virtualize that third server, then install a DC on that.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @seal
                                          last edited by

                                          @seal said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                          Isn't this saying the virtual drives for each failed? This should be different than a physical drive failure, right? Or am I reading something wrong?

                                          Well, yes and no. You are correct. The warning is that the LDs have failed. But the LDs fail when their underlying array fails. That underlying array is built on physical drives. So for the LDs to fail, it means that the array(s) that they share has failed, which means that the drives it has in its pool have failed. Or that both controllers have failed. In this case, since two utility LUNs are still hanging around, we are guessing that the controller(s) are intact and only the array has failed.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said in XenServer 6.2 servers down. I have no Xen skill. Most likely networking? Help!:

                                            having a physical in this situation would have probably saved him.

                                            Don't feed the crazy. Physical can never save you. You are mixing assumptions to come to the wrong conclusion. Physical will never help. What helps is separate storage.

                                            Physical with shared storage = fail just the same.
                                            Physical with separate storage = just fine.
                                            Virtual with shared storage = fail just the same.
                                            Virtual with separate storage = just fine.

                                            As you can see, physical vs virtual is unrelated. It's all about the storage separation and nothing else.

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