Files in a LANLESS system
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The problem with writing directly to a database and not files stored in a database is getting the data to others outside your company.
Sure, you could open the system to the internet, ala Sharepoint online - not sure I really like that idea for things like NextCloud - but that just might be my jitters.
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
Sharepoint still uses old files, so you can create a link to that file, email the link, the receiving person clicks the link, visits a website, then clicks a button on the website to open the file with the local copy of Word. That's a lot of steps.
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
The problem with writing directly to a database and not files stored in a database is getting the data to others outside your company.
Not really, it's not actually particularly harder from a technology perspective. Works the same.
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
Sure, you could open the system to the internet, ala Sharepoint online - not sure I really like that idea for things like NextCloud - but that just might be my jitters.
How do you do it today without opening it to the Internet?
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
Sharepoint still uses old files, so you can create a link to that file, email the link, the receiving person clicks the link, visits a website, then clicks a button on the website to open the file with the local copy of Word. That's a lot of steps.
What's the alternative? Sending files in email?
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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
Sure, you could open the system to the internet, ala Sharepoint online - not sure I really like that idea for things like NextCloud - but that just might be my jitters.
How do you do it today without opening it to the Internet?
email the file to them.
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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
Sure, you could open the system to the internet, ala Sharepoint online - not sure I really like that idea for things like NextCloud - but that just might be my jitters.
How do you do it today without opening it to the Internet?
email the file to them.
Why couldn't you do that with the database system, too? Your email client or server would just need the same connector.
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?
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Keep in mind that OneDrive and Google Apps are doing this already today. So this isn't a big issue that is just theory, it's literally already solved in specific cases.
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?
FYI, I didn't think you were - Instead I was responding to Gene's specific typing in the OP.
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?
Yup, and still am. No files, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a file "view".
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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?
Yup, and still am. No files, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a file "view".
But OneDrive, etc still store those things as objects, I don't think you can edit the 'Word.doc' file directly inside the DB, you need to send that object of data to Word to edit it.
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With a document database and a RESTful interface, you can literally do things like this...
https://mysite/my_word_doc.docx
To get a file, but it is coming straight out of a database with no files. The "file" Is something that is actually created by the browser not the database. It's only a file to the end user, never to the server. If you don't want to use it as a file, you don't. The decision is at the end point, not at the storage point.
This isn't like "if you add this cool application" kind of thing. This is "under the hood" interfaces to many databases today!
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?
Yup, and still am. No files, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a file "view".
But OneDrive, etc still store those things as objects, I don't think you can edit the 'Word.doc' file directly inside the DB, you need to send that object of data to Word to edit it.
As objects, not as files. I don't need to pull the files from OneDrive to edit them. I can talk to the database directly with MS Office 2013 or later, even the online version.
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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?
Yup, and still am. No files, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a file "view".
But OneDrive, etc still store those things as objects, I don't think you can edit the 'Word.doc' file directly inside the DB, you need to send that object of data to Word to edit it.
As objects, not as files. I don't need to pull the files from OneDrive to edit them. I can talk to the database directly with MS Office 2013 or later, even the online version.
Yeah Office is a bad example because of the massive integration.
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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
With a document database and a RESTful interface, you can literally do things like this...
https://mysite/my_word_doc.docx
To get a file, but it is coming straight out of a database with no files. The "file" Is something that is actually created by the browser not the database. It's only a file to the end user, never to the server. If you don't want to use it as a file, you don't. The decision is at the end point, not at the storage point.
This isn't like "if you add this cool application" kind of thing. This is "under the hood" interfaces to many databases today!
Interesting - so you're saying that OneDrive works this way today? or at least SharePoint (ODfB) works this way today?
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?
How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?
Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.
So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.
You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?
Yup, and still am. No files, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a file "view".
But OneDrive, etc still store those things as objects, I don't think you can edit the 'Word.doc' file directly inside the DB, you need to send that object of data to Word to edit it.
As objects, not as files. I don't need to pull the files from OneDrive to edit them. I can talk to the database directly with MS Office 2013 or later, even the online version.
Yeah Office is a bad example because of the massive integration.
Or a good example because it shows how easily it can be done and how well people can't even tell.
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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:
@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:
With a document database and a RESTful interface, you can literally do things like this...
https://mysite/my_word_doc.docx
To get a file, but it is coming straight out of a database with no files. The "file" Is something that is actually created by the browser not the database. It's only a file to the end user, never to the server. If you don't want to use it as a file, you don't. The decision is at the end point, not at the storage point.
This isn't like "if you add this cool application" kind of thing. This is "under the hood" interfaces to many databases today!
Interesting - so you're saying that OneDrive works this way today? or at least SharePoint (ODfB) works this way today?
You can never know exactly how it works, but very likely this is what it does. It is not efficient at all to use a file system and files for this stuff. SharePoint is a database so ODfB is definitely using SharePoint instead of the filesystem.
