Iran Creates Domestic Internet
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@Veet said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.
I'm guessing, that would be eventual goal (??) ...
I would assume so, but not sure that it is realistic and would cause all kinds of problems.
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@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Veet said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
And, thus far, I've not heard that they are removing the old Internet, just offering a new one.
I'm guessing, that would be eventual goal (??) ...
I would assume so, but not sure that it is realistic and would cause all kinds of problems.
If the Internet can traverse this new internet, don't you still have all the same dangers? Sure, the IRAN run internet can do it's own blocking at it's gateways/peering points, but then again, so can your ISP, and your ISP's ISP. So that protection seems like a red herring.
Creating this internet only serves one ultimate goal that I can see, total control of content. Sure they are doing it today, but what stops them from doing it tomorrow?
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
Not really - If the PC is encrypting before the traffic leaves your machine, it's too late for the modem to do anything.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
Not really - If the PC is encrypting before the traffic leaves your machine, it's too late for the modem to do anything.
Sure someone could encrypt the traffic before it leaves their personal network or system. But it doesn't mean that the government wouldn't be able to collect enough information to decrypt the traffic eventually.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
If the Internet can traverse this new internet, don't you still have all the same dangers?
Yup, but it can't. So that solves that.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
No purpose in that. That's a very, very expensive way to do what you can do already when you own the switch. The bridge (there are no modems since the 1990s) is just extra hardware without a purpose in a modern roll out. They can't get more data there than they already have from owning the full network.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
Not really - If the PC is encrypting before the traffic leaves your machine, it's too late for the modem to do anything.
Sure someone could encrypt the traffic before it leaves their personal network or system. But it doesn't mean that the government wouldn't be able to collect enough information to decrypt the traffic eventually.
Right, they will always know where the traffic is going, end to end. And that's if they even allow VPN connections.
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@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@DustinB3403 said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Oh, and have we heard? Do they require that all uses of the new internet have to install a state sponsored CA root cert? lol
Probably state sponsored modems that have the "tools" the government needs.
Not really - If the PC is encrypting before the traffic leaves your machine, it's too late for the modem to do anything.
Sure someone could encrypt the traffic before it leaves their personal network or system. But it doesn't mean that the government wouldn't be able to collect enough information to decrypt the traffic eventually.
They wouldn't be able to collect enough information - seriously? If you're using a 4096 bit AES encryption - sure, eventually they will get lucky and crack it.
It's fare more likely that they won't allow encryption on the network at all.
Though, @scottalanmiller how would you enforce that? Do you believe that they are using some other protocol besides IP?
I suppose they could require you to install software on your computer that authenticates (and owns your computer) before it allows you on the network.
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@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Though, @scottalanmiller how would you enforce that? Do you believe that they are using some other protocol besides IP?
I expect IP, but they certainly don't have to. I'm guessing IPv6, that would be the most sensible. They could leapfrog the DARPA network in technology by doing that.
They can enforce anything that they want, think of it like your LAN in the office... they own every port.
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@scottalanmiller said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
@Dashrender said in Iran Creates Domestic Internet:
Though, @scottalanmiller how would you enforce that? Do you believe that they are using some other protocol besides IP?
I expect IP, but they certainly don't have to. I'm guessing IPv6, that would be the most sensible. They could leapfrog the DARPA network in technology by doing that.
They can enforce anything that they want, think of it like your LAN in the office... they own every port.
yeah I realized that as I was typing it.
