Hyper-V replication licensing
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@Mike-Davis said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
They are saying that they don't want to virtualize the servers because of risk.
Make sure that you explain that this is backwards and it is never acceptable, ever, to not virtualize intentionally specifically because it is so ridiculously risky. Virtualization is there for protection, that's its benefit. Not doing so is being intentionally risky and reckless.
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@Mike-Davis said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
They also don't like external USB drives for backup targets. They would prefer tapes and a tape drive. I suggested a rack mount NAS as a backup target if they don't like the look of a external USB drive. What do you all think?
Nothing wrong with tape on its own. But I would explain to them that this is a mismatch of needs. They clearly dont' see themselves as a viable business, but as a hobby (no virtualization.) If they don't virtualize, they can't reasonably say that they think this is a real business, they are SO far below the home line it isn't even discussable. No grey area at all, this is a hobby and a joke to their owners. Make that absolutely clear.
So having backups at all makes no sense given how little of a priority they see their own hobby to be (even a semi-serious hobby would be virtualized every time.) So why take backups at all? There is a mismatch of goals here.
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@coliver said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
From the way @Mike-Davis has explained it both systems will be "production" if one fails then the second will take over even when the other one is replaced/repaired.
NEver allow someone to refer to something physical as "Production". It just empowers them to think it's a viable option.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@Mike-Davis said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
If I had a single Windows Server Standard license, and two hyper V hosts and set up replication for the two VMs on host 1, am I good as far as licensing goes?
No, the licensing allows you two installations on the same hardware (as VM's go). On the second host, you would need identical, unused licensing to be in compliance.
Not with replication, because the second node is not running. Storage does not need to be licensed or else you could not have backups on tape, every tape would need a license.
How did you get that from what I wrote?
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@scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@coliver said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
From the way @Mike-Davis has explained it both systems will be "production" if one fails then the second will take over even when the other one is replaced/repaired.
NEver allow someone to refer to something physical as "Production". It just empowers them to think it's a viable option.
I was referring to the new, proposed, setup not the current one.
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My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
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@Mike-Davis Hyper-V replication works fine but there is no automated power on or failure detection. That requires you setup a cluster and use SCCM I believe.
I use basic replication at a number of locations and it works great.
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@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
This to me (assuming physical) as is followed up in the same post would give them the licenses they need for 2 hypervisors (4 VM's or 2 VM's and fail over). Again assuming these are Standard licenses.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
This to me (assuming physical) as is followed up in the same post would give them the licenses they need for 2 hypervisors (4 VM's or 2 VM's and fail over). Again assuming these are Standard licenses.
Hypervisors are free. He would be licensing the operating systems hosted on these systems.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
That same post is where he stated that they will not be switching back and forth.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
This to me (assuming physical) as is followed up in the same post would give them the licenses they need for 2 hypervisors (4 VM's or 2 VM's and fail over). Again assuming these are Standard licenses.
There is no licensing for replication in Hyper-V. There is no need for a Windows server license for the second server.
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@coliver said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@coliver said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
From the way @Mike-Davis has explained it both systems will be "production" if one fails then the second will take over even when the other one is replaced/repaired.
NEver allow someone to refer to something physical as "Production". It just empowers them to think it's a viable option.
I was referring to the new, proposed, setup not the current one.
Gotcha
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@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
That same post is where he stated that they will not be switching back and forth.
In what world does a server crash and burn, the systems are manually migrated, and when the original system is backup and running for backup purposes not get used?
If the original backup host fails in 90 days, the client is then on the hook to Microsoft. It's far cheaper to purchase a second standard license then to worry about it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
This to me (assuming physical) as is followed up in the same post would give them the licenses they need for 2 hypervisors (4 VM's or 2 VM's and fail over). Again assuming these are Standard licenses.
He needs two licenses if physical, only one if virtual.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
This to me (assuming physical) as is followed up in the same post would give them the licenses they need for 2 hypervisors (4 VM's or 2 VM's and fail over). Again assuming these are Standard licenses.
He needs two licenses if physical, only one if virtual.
Yes, I get this. But those VM's can't run on separate hardware. Nor can they be rotated back to repaired hardware until that 90 day window.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
This to me (assuming physical) as is followed up in the same post would give them the licenses they need for 2 hypervisors (4 VM's or 2 VM's and fail over). Again assuming these are Standard licenses.
He needs two licenses if physical, only one if virtual.
And if they have two hosts (2 clustered Hyper-V servers) the client is better suited with having the Two Server Standard licenses up front. Rather than risk litigation with Microsoft about what is "Disaster recovery"
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
That same post is where he stated that they will not be switching back and forth.
In what world does a server crash and burn, the systems are manually migrated, and when the original system is backup and running for backup purposes not get used?
If the original backup host fails in 90 days, the client is then on the hook to Microsoft. It's far cheaper to purchase a second standard license then to worry about it.
In most situations where you are buying two servers and only using the second for replication, you are accepting that once you failover, you have to wait 90 days before failing it back to the repaired server. That is the design of the setup.
If they want something else, then this is not the right setup.
But it is specifically what was asked.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
If the original backup host fails in 90 days, the client is then on the hook to Microsoft. It's far cheaper to purchase a second standard license then to worry about it.
Not in 99.999% of cases. Remember you are talking about a double failure, not a single failure. So let's run the numbers assuming a single license is $700.
For 90 Day Failover Window Licensing Cost: $700
For Sub 90 Day Double Failover Licensing Cost: $1400That's an additional $700 with the sole benefit being able to have a second device die and to fail back to the first (or a third) one immediately. The key being immediately. $700 is a HUGE waste of money, in nearly all cases, for that.
If you fail once, you are rare enough. Most shops never experience the first failover scenario. The second one is, almost, unheard of. It's ridiculously rare. Really, really, rare.
In the even that you are hit with the second scenario, an extra Windows license is... $700 and takes, what, 30 minutes to buy, tops? So you either wait for the second server to get repaired (this might take only a few minutes or a few hours or a day or two tops) or you spend $700 to mitigate that at the time and you are only down for thirty minutes AND you can be doing all the prep for the failover WHILE the license is being purchased. You just can't technically fire up the VM until the purchase goes through. Extra downtime approaches zero.
The extra license is not cheap and mitigates essentially zero risk.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@scottalanmiller said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@JaredBusch said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
@DustinB3403 said in Hyper-V replication licensing:
My statement with needing 2 licenses is one license per hardware server. Which allows you 4 VM's total (or as desired) 2 VM's with the option to fail over outside of a Disaster event.
I honestly don't see how it could be misunderstood.
You are the one misunderstanding or maybe just conflating things.. @Mike-Davis does not want fail over outside of DR. So there is no point, reason, or legal need for a second Windows Server license.
Maybe I am not understanding the question at hand, but at post 6 @Mike-Davis mentions he has a client who "only needs two servers"
This to me (assuming physical) as is followed up in the same post would give them the licenses they need for 2 hypervisors (4 VM's or 2 VM's and fail over). Again assuming these are Standard licenses.
He needs two licenses if physical, only one if virtual.
And if they have two hosts (2 clustered Hyper-V servers) the client is better suited with having the Two Server Standard licenses up front. Rather than risk litigation with Microsoft about what is "Disaster recovery"
What risk? You are adding in something that is not here.
