What Are You Doing Right Now

tonyshowoff

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

I am a developer and sys admin, not a web designer and I prefer ProcessWire or Grav than WordPress.

I get where you're coming from personally, because I am the same, primarily developer and I've had much of the same feelings, had to deal with the same tasks, and the results were basically the same.

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@Obsolesce
Absolutely.
Here is the problem: I am in charge of a some client's servers: among those there is an inherited cPanel with many WordPress websites. In many cases the designers of the sites are no longer working with the company. So it is out of my control.

I have been moving everything to Linux without a Control Panel, updating WordPress & plugins, cataloging the obsolete plugins, etc. Maintenance work.

The website that caused my "hate" doubt is handled by some one else, someone without a clue. As the web site was down for too much time I was called to fix it. After fixing it, the web designer broke it again.

I have a feeling that you ire is misplaced. It sounds like you have a solid problem here... a company that isn't managing things well, hiring people who don't know what they are doing, designers who are being sloppy....

You've got many people to be upset or frustrated with. Really clear failures. Solid, no real question problems. But instead of being upset with them, you are looking to WordPress which appears to be completely blameless in this scenario.

You could be upset legitimately with...

The business
Managers
The customer's IT
The designer
The plugin maker
Maybe even cPanel (just for being a pain)

There isn't anything wrong with being upset. But don't lash out at the innocent and spare the guilty.

dave_c

@scottalanmiller
It is all over the place.
wp_posts
wp_postmeta
etc.
I am 90% sure vainilla WordPress does that. That's the reason plugins like Better Search Replace or wp search-replace exist and are very useful. For example, moving from HTTP to HTTPS needs the URLs changed in the database

dave_c

@scottalanmiller
:grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: It seems like my small rant was taken too seriously.
Let me correct the sentence in the original post: maybe neither, maybe both, I don't care

It is just work and I am being paid to do it. And for that I am truly grateful.
As for the company, yes, that part of the company is a mess. I feel good knowing that somehow I am helping a little bit.
I am really not upset. I was just wondering

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller
It is all over the place.
wp_posts
wp_postmeta
etc.
I am 90% sure vainilla WordPress does that. That's the reason plugins like Better Search Replace or wp search-replace exist and are very useful. For example, moving from HTTP to HTTPS needs the URLs changed in the database

See, that's why I feel something is wrong. For us, it does not require that change. And we have a lot of different sites with different themes and such and we've never needed to make changes like that before.

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller
It is all over the place.
wp_posts
wp_postmeta
etc.
I am 90% sure vainilla WordPress does that. That's the reason plugins like Better Search Replace or wp search-replace exist and are very useful. For example, moving from HTTP to HTTPS needs the URLs changed in the database

See, that's why I feel something is wrong. For us, it does not require that change. And we have a lot of different sites with different themes and such and we've never needed to make changes like that before.

I've had to deal with such changes when migrating domains primarily

scottalanmiller

@tonyshowoff said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller
It is all over the place.
wp_posts
wp_postmeta
etc.
I am 90% sure vainilla WordPress does that. That's the reason plugins like Better Search Replace or wp search-replace exist and are very useful. For example, moving from HTTP to HTTPS needs the URLs changed in the database

See, that's why I feel something is wrong. For us, it does not require that change. And we have a lot of different sites with different themes and such and we've never needed to make changes like that before.

I've had to deal with such changes when migrating domains primarily

It's not often that we rename domains, but I've never seen it not handle a domain change automatically when moving URLs.

dave_c

@scottalanmiller, @tonyshowoff
When moving from HTTP to HTTPS it is necessary to update the URLS in the database. Otherwise you will get

Parts of this page are not secure

There are ways around it, for me the right one is to replace URLs in the database

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller, @tonyshowoff
When moving from HTTP to HTTPS it is necessary to update the URLS in the database. Otherwise you will get
Parts of this page are not secure
There are ways around it, for me the right one is to replace URLs in the database

Digging through my database for one of the sites here (just grabbed a random one), it does indeed have absolute links in there.

However, Really Simple SSL plugin is standard and handles that really well. No need to do any edits.

scottalanmiller

Lead Dev on Wordpress explains their logic on this: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/17048

nadnerB

@tonyshowoff said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@nadnerB said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Youtube Video

When the original, not-funny show was redone for American TV is when I first heard about it, and in both cases it was so obnoxious a premise to me that someone slapping a child would somehow throw entire families through loops and just a nuclear bomb-style fall out of whining, my first thought when I saw the Australian one was "I know a lot of Aussies and they aren't huge pussies like this, who is this supposed to appeal to?" I could only imagine in real life in Australia or America (well maybe not some of WASP America) the guy hitting the kid simply getting his teeth kicked in, not a super-PTSD melodrama rippling through the entire community.

In the words of Bart Simpson:

Sock him, Dad! Sock everybody!

Plus they make the kid so annoying and deserving that it's almost a comedy.

I think the appeal for the show was it's utter ridiculousness. It's supposed to be a comedy but I've never bothered to watch it., so I can't confirm.

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Lead Dev on Wordpress explains their logic on this: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/17048

Legitimate reasons.

jmoore

@scottalanmiller Ive never used cpanel. Just used Linux from the start. I would be lost if I had to use cpanel

scottalanmiller

@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller Ive never used cpanel. Just used Linux from the start. I would be lost if I had to use cpanel

I tried it once and it was SO hard to use. Mind blowing to me that people actually pay for that.

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

@scottalanmiller Ive never used cpanel. Just used Linux from the start. I would be lost if I had to use cpanel

I tried it once and it was SO hard to use. Mind blowing to me that people actually pay for that.

I had to set it up for a client (they really insisted, and even paid for it), the mere face you had to start with a new install of Linux and it had to take everything over, build its own versions of things, etc and then create crazy configs and then there's a level of needless complexity to configuring. Why make it so complex to change one damn thing in a config file? It takes no time at all in a text editor.

jmoore

@scottalanmiller Yeah I'm certainly no Linux expert but I was able to figure things out. Cpanel is much harder in my opinion.

jmoore

Getting Pokemon deck ready for this weekend. Dallas regionals coming Saturday. It will be 1300 or so players.

EddieJennings

Spinning up a VM for Zimbra

dave_c

@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

Lead Dev on Wordpress explains their logic on this: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/17048

I don't want to go on on this: It is the way it is and I am paid to work with that; that's enough for me.
I have solved that in a different way in different web systems, it is not the only or perhaps the best way. That's probably why I don't like it.
I just think that the lead developer answer summarizes everything:

That said, this is a deliberate design decision. We don't have any plans to change this.

On the other hand: cPanel is nice and awful. I don't find it hard but I think it is bloated. I prefer Linux without a Control Panel. But cPanel is used a lot... and I am paid to manage it

The really important thing now is: I need to rest a little bit. Bye!

scottalanmiller

@dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

The really important thing now is: I need to rest a little bit. Bye!

I'm paid "more" to not manage it

If you get paid by the hour, cPanel is great. If you are paid by the task (or are the one paying), it's bad.