What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun
Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?
Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.
And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.
Holy crap - what school is that?
Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.
Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.
I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.
Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.
I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.
That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?
Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.
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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun
Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?
Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.
And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.
Holy crap - what school is that?
Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.
Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.
I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.
Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.
I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.
Well, in this specific case this is a wellfare system. William gets free daycare (free to him, paid for by the state). His choices are don't use the system, or pay money he likely doesn't have to use a daycare that doesn't require this.
Ignore the cost. This is a stipulation on the use of the good by the vendor, it was agreed to by the customer.
If this wasn't state run, I would completely ignore the cost, but it is.
Its just another way to keep tabs on people in low income environments basically, yes. most of the kids in the classes come from minorities and teen moms who need hand outs. if it was up to me they wouldnt come to my home at all... which they shouldn't but Im not going to rant about it.
Right, it's a way to keep tabs on minorities. That's the bottom line.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun
Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?
Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.
And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.
Holy crap - what school is that?
Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.
Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.
I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.
Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.
I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.
That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?
Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.
Well, they probably do. The debate would be whether it is ethical or not, not whether or not they can do it. States have a lot of power, thanks to our poor central federal system allowing individual states to do some pretty bad things with no national oversight.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun
Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?
Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.
And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.
Holy crap - what school is that?
Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.
Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.
I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.
Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.
I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.
That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?
Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.
Did you check the laws on that? How do you know they do not have this authority. You are injecting things that may or may not be true based on your personal bias.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun
Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?
Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.
And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.
Holy crap - what school is that?
Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.
Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.
I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.
Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.
I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.
That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?
Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.
All because they are offering my son a place to go while im at work or school - Which is another stipulation- you have to be either at work or in college ( or high school for some parents) and they continually check on that..
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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun
Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?
Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.
And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.
Holy crap - what school is that?
Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.
Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.
I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.
Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.
I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.
That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?
Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.
All because they are offering my son a place to go while im at work or school - Which is another stipulation- you have to be either at work or in college ( or high school for some parents) and they continually check on that..
That's a bit different.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
My sons Daycare teachers just arrived for a home visit! this should be fun
Sounds weird, why would a daycare teacher show up at your residence. Is this like CPS or something?
Yearly home visits are standard practice in Japan.
And Omaha Ne ask well. Its one of their stipulations to my son being enrolled at their school.
Holy crap - what school is that?
Educare Kellom. Its state funded- thats their authority, they told me if they dont he gets kicked out.
Sure, you send your kid there, they get those choices. You always have the choice of sending your kid to another daycare.
I'm sure price is a factor in this decision.
Sadly this is very true - so it's what I consider another non constitutional form of search.
I don't follow. You are "buying" a service, as part of that payment they require that you get a visit from a teacher on a yearly basis. It was agreed to by the customer. Not sure I see any issues with this as it is an agreement between two parties.
That's not quite true in this case. This is the government providing a service and adding stipulations that aren't necessarily appropriate for the government to be adding. It's a bit of a grey area. Can the government forcibly search your home? No. Can they do it if you use their daycare? What if you use their roads, or water?
Exactly. They are exerting control over you that they don't really have the authority to do so.
All because they are offering my son a place to go while im at work or school - Which is another stipulation- you have to be either at work or in college ( or high school for some parents) and they continually check on that..
That's a bit different.
just a bit..
Not my choice, but its free. so what ever. -
@wrcombs If you are receiving a subsidy from the state, there are bound to be requirements to receive the subsidy. This is one such requirement.
You are receiving low cost daycare, a requirement to that is an annual household checkup.
I get it, and don't disagree with there being stipulations on it. It makes sense to me, to ensure that the child is in a safe home etc.
Of course, I'm sure that these checkups then could evolve into CPS visits etc. But if it's not CPS, but a daycare provider. . . I guess I don't see why; why bother?
Why make the daycare provider (teacher) perform the check-in. Why wouldn't a CPS rep do this? I guess because you know the teacher, and not a random stranger from CPS. . .
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In this daycare, since it is publicly funded, I wonder if the daycare provider is an arm to CPS. . . Maybe that is why the teacher is performing the check-in.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs If you are receiving a subsidy from the state, there are bound to be requirements to receive the subsidy. This is one such requirement.
You are receiving low cost daycare, a requirement to that is an annual household checkup.
I get it, and don't disagree with there being stipulations on it. It makes sense to me, to ensure that the child is in a safe home etc.
Of course, I'm sure that these checkups then could evolve into CPS visits etc. But if it's not CPS, but a daycare provider. . . I guess I don't see why bother?
Why make the daycare provider (teacher) perform the check-in. Why wouldn't a CPS rep do this? I guess because you know the teacher, and no a random stranger from CPS. . .
Because they dont want to waste city services on something as simple as a home visit ( @Dashrender allow me to clarify - its more of a parent - teacher conference but in the comfort of your own home.
IF they had to do a full home sweep CPS would be called ( im sure) but that has hardly happened ( never for me ) -
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In this daycare, since it is publicly funded, I wonder if the daycare provider is an arm to CPS. . . Maybe that is why the teacher is performing the check-in.
Of course it is, that's why the government funds it.
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@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?
If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.
Even if you don't know about it.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In this daycare, since it is publicly funded, I wonder if the daycare provider is an arm to CPS. . . Maybe that is why the teacher is performing the check-in.
Of course it is, that's why the government funds it.
There are differences between a CPS assessment, and a parent-teacher conference. Granted, a PTC at your residence very much leans towards a CPS assessment. . .
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?
If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.
Even if you don't know about it.
They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.
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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?
If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.
Even if you don't know about it.
They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.
Leave a broken down motor in parts on the living room floor, making a massive mess of the house and see how it changes their tune. . . /sarcasim-off
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I'm not necessarily opposed to home visits. But personally, my feeling is that they should either be universal (every home, all the time) or should be blocked until there is reason to inspect. Not using low cost services as an excuse to use income disparity or social need as an excuse to inspect some people and not others (or some people with kids and not others.)
This becomes a form of discrimination. In the US we often accept discrimination based on income, but that's really not very sensible. And income is often tied to other factors, so it is automatically a proxy for those other factors.
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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?
If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.
Even if you don't know about it.
They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.
Put yourself in the teacher's position. Typically this is a young, somewhat attractive female. They also have to be concerned about their safety and security as well. Therefore, probably wouldn't want to be lead to the backroom to be forced to do who knows what to them.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?
If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.
Even if you don't know about it.
They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.
Leave a broken down motor in parts on the living room floor, making a massive mess of the house and see how it changes their tune. . . /sarcasim-off
hahah right? But heres the thing, they've only came to my house and im not even on the account there other than as an emergency contact and Parent pick up.. So basically them coming to my current home shouldnt be happening because they havent even seen my exes house. not once.
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@nerdydad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@wrcombs Does the teacher walk around the house, or do they simply come over and sit on the couch and talk?
If it's anything more than a sit down and talk, then it is a CPS assessment of your home, and the housing conditions for the child.
Even if you don't know about it.
They come in, Sit down , talk ( usually about goals and such) then they leave. I offered to show them around the first time and they said it wasn't what they were there for.
Put yourself in the teacher's position. Typically this is a young, somewhat attractive female. They also have to be concerned about their safety and security as well. Therefore, probably wouldn't want to be lead to the backroom to be forced to do who knows what to them.
Then why force the teacher to do this at all if this was truly a concern? The moment they enter the home, they would be subject to these same influences with little ability to escape. . .
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm not necessarily opposed to home visits. But personally, my feeling is that they should either be universal (every home, all the time) or should be blocked until there is reason to inspect. Not using low cost services as an excuse to use income disparity or social need as an excuse to inspect some people and not others (or some people with kids and not others.)
This becomes a form of discrimination. In the US we often accept discrimination based on income, but that's really not very sensible. And income is often tied to other factors, so it is automatically a proxy for those other factors.
We tend to see it more in lower income because those in higher income brackets are either able to cover it up better or are able to bribe some government officials to look the other way.
