Internet Provider Change At Work
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AT&T might explain the service issues.
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@g.jacobse said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@NetworkNerd said:
My guess is you have 50 Mbps download but a max of 5 Mbps upload. We actually looked at ATT U-verse for one of our locations, but all they could offer was either 512 Kbps upload or 1 Mbps. That's a no-go for VOIP based on the location in question, so we went with Charter Business and got 50/5, which is much better.
1Mb/s up is really, really rare these days. How AT&T and limited to that is beyond me. That had to be some whacky DSL service.
Could be due to rural areas. Here in Central Kentucky if you are in the primary radius of a 'large' town or city you can get decent speeds. But in more remote areas,.. you'll be lucky to have just ONE provider. At least that was my experience a year ago.
We have these issues for the most part with DSL. The majority of properties in my area, very rural upstate NY, only has options for 5mbps down / 768kbps up. Only recently do some have access to broadband speeds from local companies or Time Warner.
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We just finally got 50/5 2 years ago from TWC. That is the best we can get period. We do have the option to get a frontiernet connection but that is like 30/1 or something like that.
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@Minion-Queen said:
We just finally got 50/5 2 years ago from TWC. That is the best we can get period. We do have the option to get a frontiernet connection but that is like 30/1 or something like that.
The 50/5 is the max we are offered from TWC as well.
We aren't that far from major cities either... 2 hours from Albany, 1 hour from Binghamton, 4 hours from NYC.
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Yeah I am only 45 minutes from both Rochester and Buffalo but... well you get what you can.
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45 mins? that's huge miles - by close you normally have to be within 10, and probably more like 2 of a 'big' city to get in the sphere.
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I will say that there has been a huge push by local ISPs to get fiber in the ground/air. Our local ISP is putting a lot of money into infrastructure to get 50/50 to rural businesses. They are also offering 30/5 to residential subscribers along the way.
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@Minion-Queen said:
We just finally got 50/5 2 years ago from TWC. That is the best we can get period. We do have the option to get a frontiernet connection but that is like 30/1 or something like that.
But you are actually rural and that is two to four times as fast as AT&T Uverse!
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A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
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As for the OP, yeah price drops like this are totally normal!
I had a customer who purchased a T1 12 years ago, it was $850/month for internet. 4 years ago the town finally got cable. We upgraded them to 15/3 for around $80/month.
The main thing to watch out for is how well those people take care of their networks? The T1 never had an outage in the 8 years they used it. I'm not supporting them anymore so I don't know if they've had any outages with their cable connection.
That said, I'll beat Scott to the punch where he will tell you he's seen customers who've had a 1 year outage on a T1, so it's all just a game, you just have to pick a place to that appears to fit your needs the best.
Oh, and of course, past experience is not an indicator of future performance.
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@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Or at least for a big discount.
Sounds like they are already giving a huge discount. The build out cost is $20K, they are only passing along $4K of that.
You'll make that up in 57 months at $79/month vs what you pay now $780/month. Because of the whole time value of money thing, you could ask them to spread the $4000 over the payments for the 5 year term, that only adds $66.67 a month to the bill.
If there is little chance of you moving locations, this sounds like a total win.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
Wildly successful? Not sure what you mean? What is the smallest town size that would actually work in? I'm also curious how high speed internet is brought into the town itself?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
I was just going to comment on that... I assume most smaller towns don't have the tax base to layout the immediate costs for both the infrastructure and the impending lawsuits from the big ISPs.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
Wildly successful? Not sure what you mean? What is the smallest town size that would actually work in? I'm also curious how high speed internet is brought into the town itself?
Most municipal ISPs are doing fantastically after a few growth years.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
Wildly successful? Not sure what you mean? What is the smallest town size that would actually work in? I'm also curious how high speed internet is brought into the town itself?
Towns of several hundred or just like one thousand people were the first to do it back like almost fifteen years ago. Deep in the Washington State interior is the famous case where a town that never had telephone service ever put in their own fiber and had faster, cheaper and more reliable Internet and voice than any major city in the US.
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@mlnews said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
Wildly successful? Not sure what you mean? What is the smallest town size that would actually work in? I'm also curious how high speed internet is brought into the town itself?
Towns of several hundred or just like one thousand people were the first to do it back like almost fifteen years ago. Deep in the Washington State interior is the famous case where a town that never had telephone service ever put in their own fiber and had faster, cheaper and more reliable Internet and voice than any major city in the US.
When there is nothing legacy, that's pretty easy to do.. now, 15 years later.. how are they sitting?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
I was just going to comment on that... I assume most smaller towns don't have the tax base to layout the immediate costs for both the infrastructure and the impending lawsuits from the big ISPs.
That might seem true but small towns are the ones that have done it so successfully. Many just don't bother because small town governments often just don't take the initiative. But remember, frivolous lawsuits from ISPs is also a good potential revenue stream too.
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@Dashrender said:
@mlnews said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
A local town near us is talking about getting Fiber town funded. So we will have to see what happens there, we are only 10 minutes from there.
Which town?
I'm surprised any town doesn't do this after it has been shown to be so wildly successful over and over again.
Wildly successful? Not sure what you mean? What is the smallest town size that would actually work in? I'm also curious how high speed internet is brought into the town itself?
Towns of several hundred or just like one thousand people were the first to do it back like almost fifteen years ago. Deep in the Washington State interior is the famous case where a town that never had telephone service ever put in their own fiber and had faster, cheaper and more reliable Internet and voice than any major city in the US.
When there is nothing legacy, that's pretty easy to do.. now, 15 years later.. how are they sitting?
Well as fifteen years ago they were lightyears ahead of where most cities still are today, I'd say likely pretty good! Don't know for sure, once they had that kind of success there wasn't much more to say.
Similarly, Iceland did this too. GigE everywhere near the capital. Really boosted the economy.
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Remember that having good Internet also makes people work from home, bring in businesses and people move into a town. It can mean massive growth both in people and in tax base. It's a very obvious way to invest in the town.
