SonicWall support services set to expire... should I move to Ubiquiti Routers?
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NXFilter
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
If NXfilter is priced better than that other option, OpenDNS, it might be doable. But as Scott mentioned, who's driving it, and is the cost really worth the provided value.
It's free for the non-hosted option.
I don't seem to see a cost involved for any situation on their website, did I miss it?
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
If NXfilter is priced better than that other option, OpenDNS, it might be doable. But as Scott mentioned, who's driving it, and is the cost really worth the provided value.
It's free for the non-hosted option.
I don't seem to see a cost involved for any situation on their website, did I miss it?
They have a cloud option that does cost money.
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@Dashrender said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
If NXfilter is priced better than that other option, OpenDNS, it might be doable. But as Scott mentioned, who's driving it, and is the cost really worth the provided value.
It's free for the non-hosted option.
I don't seem to see a cost involved for any situation on their website, did I miss it?
It's not listed but he has hosted options from people using the Nx-filter cloud which does cost.
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I'll put in a very good word for the Fortigates. They're damn expensive but we've had zero issues with them.
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@MattSpeller I'm glad they worked well for you! We had two of them and neither of them were all that great, but they did work, at least.
Heaven forbid your check is late for the maintenance fee, lol.
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@MattSpeller said:
I'll put in a very good word for the Fortigates. They're damn expensive but we've had zero issues with them.
If you do, their support is problematic. They are one of our "blacklist" machines. We don't do business with them. Nothing but problems.
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@scottalanmiller Interesting to note, I'll share any experience I have with them in the future.
@dafyre yeah they do like their cash, preferably up front and in large amounts heheh
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Pfsense or VyOS is a good option for the router if you have good hardware around to run it on. I'd highly recommend using Intel NICs with either.
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I know this group isn't keen on SonicWall either. Over the 3 years we've had them, we've had only minor issues, all of which we've been able to work through with little to no effort.
The frustrating thing is that we're already EOL'ed after only 3 years, and while I can continue to purchase support/update (AV, webfiltering, etc) $1000/year is ridiculous to me. Either that or buy a whole new machine for something like $3500 for 3 more years of support and new hardware.
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@Dashrender said:
The frustrating thing is that we're already EOL'ed after only 3 years, and while I can continue to purchase support/update (AV, webfiltering, etc) $1000/year is ridiculous to me. Either that or buy a whole new machine for something like $3500 for 3 more years of support and new hardware.
That's not that unusual for UTM devices. They like to keep the money rolling in.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Pfsense or VyOS is a good option for the router if you have good hardware around to run it on. I'd highly recommend using Intel NICs with either.
Considering that an 8 port Ubiquiti EdgeRouter is $304 - $340 on Amazon... that's pretty hard to beat.
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@Dashrender said:
I know this group isn't keen on SonicWall either. Over the 3 years we've had them, we've had only minor issues, all of which we've been able to work through with little to no effort.
Keep in mind that the price is an issue. Just because they work (which is not a common experience) they also need to work as well or better than less costly options or else you did actually have an issue with them. Not a technical one, but a business issue around value.
The major issues with SonicWall are around undocumented features and high cost for low value.
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@Dashrender I would get them to lease it over 3 years... at the end of the 3rd year, just upgrade to the latest model that meets your needs (if they have released a new one). Especially if you are happy with them!
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@scottalanmiller said:
The major issues with SonicWall are around undocumented features and high cost for low value.
I would argue that Fortigate is worse in this department. Granted, I haven't done business with them for several years, so maybe they got their act together.
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@dafyre said:
@Dashrender I would get them to lease it over 3 years... at the end of the 3rd year, just upgrade to the latest model that meets your needs (if they have released a new one). Especially if you are happy with them!
How is this better? Especially since leasing no longer gets you the tax breaks it used to. If I was going this route I might as well just buy a new unit every three years.
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@dafyre said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The major issues with SonicWall are around undocumented features and high cost for low value.
I would argue that Fortigate is worse in this department. Granted, I haven't done business with them for several years, so maybe they got their act together.
Yes, but they are in the same category. Same issues with both of them. High price, low quality, bad support. Best to avoid both completely. This isn't a product category where this type of behaviour is acceptable and there are plenty of alternatives so never a need to do business with either.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The major issues with SonicWall are around undocumented features and high cost for low value.
It's less me having a problem with this cost, and more the administrator. Management often doesn't see value in something they can't see directly having an effect on production or productivity.
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@Dashrender said:
How is this better? Especially since leasing no longer gets you the tax breaks it used to. If I was going this route I might as well just buy a new unit every three years.
Less up front damage to your IT budget is one (depending on how big of a hit that is to your budget!)... It seems like I may have misread that bit about being EOL'd after only 3 years. I read it to be EOL'd every 3 years.
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@Dashrender said:
It's less me having a problem with this cost, and more the administrator. Management often doesn't see value in something they can't see directly having an effect on production or productivity.
If it breaks after it has been EOL'd can they still next day you one to replace it with?
