CloudatCost OpenDNS Issue
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I think the point has been made. Let's not keep backing @thanksajdotcom into a corner. Give him a chance to do the right thing.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Kelly said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Kelly said:
@thanksajdotcom I find your apparent lack of caring about your online perspectives incongruous in light of your proposed session at SWA2015. You might want to reconsider some of the things that are now publicly tied to your "brand".
I don't necessarily recommend people mimic how I post or all my actions. My presentation is more about utilizing professional networks to network yourself with vendors and companies. In addition, it talks about other ways to market yourself as a brand. My brand is different from someone else's. I don't claim everything I do is right or the best way. However, a lot of people from a lot of different places know my name. I will soon be published on a very major website in the IT world. While I may get criticized for some of the things I say, I've been very successful for someone my age. I've worked very hard to become so. As much as people may not believe it, I work very hard and very carefully to maintain what I've built.
Right now your "brand" is associated with unethical practices. It doesn't matter what you tell people to do if your own brand is tarnished. What happens if, after you've been published, some people go searching your name, hit this thread, and get you blackballed from the major IT rags. That isn't beyond the realm of possibility. In all honesty the more well known you become the scrupulously you have to guard your brand from hints of this stuff.
Exactly. That's why I said ever heard the phrase the bigger they are the harder they fall?
I don't disagree. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. However, I'm less afraid of falling than being something I'm not. I will not pretend anymore. I've put up with too much BS in my life trying to be things I wasn't. If I need to change, I will. But I will not put on a facade. If my opinion isn't popular, IDGAF. The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions. One reason I'm the level of salesman I am is because I don't bullshit. I sell what I believe in, and that passion carries over to the customer. I don't filter well either. To me it's a form of "hiding" who and what I am. I sincerely do appreciate you trying to help me. I hope you know that. I do work on controlling certain things about myself in both an online, in-person, and public presence. However, filters are not my strong suit.
Why would a customer buy anything when you just stated and have before that stealing is okay. They'll just find out your stance go home and illegally download Microsoft office etc.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
However, filters are not my strong suit.
This is the most important component of controlling brand.
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@IRJ said:
I think the point has been made. Let's not keep backing @thanksajdotcom into a corner. Give him a chance to do the right thing.
Agreed, the point is made, there isn't the slightest doubt anywhere.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
However, filters are not my strong suit.
This is the most important component of controlling brand.
Hey I did not say that.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
However, filters are not my strong suit.
This is the most important component of controlling brand.
Hey I did not say that.
I know, stupid quoting system.
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@IRJ said:
I think the point has been made. Let's not keep backing @thanksajdotcom into a corner. Give him a chance to do the right thing.
He backs himself into corners and tries to rationalize situations he puts himself in. That's no one else's fault but his own.
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@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@IRJ said:
I think the point has been made. Let's not keep backing @thanksajdotcom into a corner. Give him a chance to do the right thing.
He backs himself into corners and tries to rationalize situations he puts himself in. That's no one else's fault but his own.
I agree, but what is the point in continually bashing him? The point has been made. Many people showed up on this thread just to bash him. They don't show up here to answer technical questions. I am not talking about you, Bill.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions.
The problem that you face is the lack of convictions. No one is saying that you are inconsistent.
Really? The fact my convictions don't line up with yours doesn't mean I lack convictions. It means I lack your convictions.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
I see. So, it's all about whether you think it matters or not. The fact that these things do matter, to others, isn't relevant to you because your 'big picture thinking' is more important than the actual written laws.
Good luck with that.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions.
The problem that you face is the lack of convictions. No one is saying that you are inconsistent.
Really? The fact my convictions don't line up with yours doesn't mean I lack convictions. It means I lack your convictions.
AJ, I am trying to defend you but you aren't making it easy
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@PaulBunion said:
You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before.
Actually, per C@C's TOS, that's perfectly fine. If he was "hosting" at home, he would be fine per Scott, but in violation of TOS for whatever ISP you are with for the most part.
Although I don't agree with Scott's analysis of the minutia of MS licenses with regards to it, he makes it sound like you can NEVER use Windows on a cloud provider unless you buy it from the cloud provider. Retail channels would allow some really permissible uses that you don't get from others like OEM or VL, like downgrade rights all the way down. And each version would have differences in how you get it. In this instance, a Datacenter version of Windows applied to a cluster which you cannot say for 100% certain has the right amount of sockets would fly in my eyes as a very grey use, probably against use. But if I went out and bought a retail copy of Windows Server 2012 R2 Enterprise it would fly just fine. Which brings us to the downgrade rights on Datacenter, which DOES allow one to downgrade to Enterprise or Standard if so required. Again, super, super grey area, probably not right. But it doesn't in my eyes rise to the level of arrrrrrrr matey.
This is a question better asked of a MS license guy over at another site.
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@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
I see. So, it's all about whether you think it matters or not. The fact that these things do matter, to others, isn't relevant to you because your 'big picture thinking' is more important than the actual written laws.
Good luck with that.
I want a New 500/512GB SSD, Ubquiti Edge Router Lite, and UAP Pro. I guess that's my big picture so stealing it wouldn't really hurt anyone. What's the harm. It's only technically illegal if I get caught. And it fits my big picture.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
Taking this analogy A.J., think about it this way. You've very publicly exposed your current IP to this server, that's a public facing wide open DNS server (It doesn't matter if it's got Webroot on it or not). How long do you think it will take for a rouge to infiltrate and commandeer that server for their own purposes right under your nose? And those who decided to use your DNS server are suddenly at risk. Maybe not physically, but they are at risk of harm. Digital harm.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
Taking this analogy A.J., think about it this way. You've very publicly exposed your current IP to this server, that's a public facing wide open DNS server (It doesn't matter if it's got Webroot on it or not). How long do you think it will take for a rouge to infiltrate and commandeer that server for their own purposes right under your nose? And those who decided to use your DNS server are suddenly at risk. Maybe not physically, but they are at risk of harm. Digital harm.
DNS has been locked down. That was something I was not aware of. I have resolved that. The way I did the setup was correct, except I was wrong in my understanding of the Open DNS vs OpenDNS emails and the threat is could potentially pose to others. That's been resolved.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
I see. So, it's all about whether you think it matters or not. The fact that these things do matter, to others, isn't relevant to you because your 'big picture thinking' is more important than the actual written laws.
Good luck with that.
I want a New 500/512GB SSD, Ubquiti Edge Router Lite, and UAP Pro. I guess that's my big picture so stealing it wouldn't really hurt anyone. What's the harm. It's only technically illegal if I get caught. And it fits my big picture.
That's nice. I still don't see it as an apples to apples comparison.
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@IRJ said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
The jobs I want to work at may not agree with my opinion (or maybe they do), but they will appreciate that I stand behind my convictions.
The problem that you face is the lack of convictions. No one is saying that you are inconsistent.
Really? The fact my convictions don't line up with yours doesn't mean I lack convictions. It means I lack your convictions.
AJ, I am trying to defend you but you aren't making it easy
I appreciate that Joel. I really do.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@PaulBunion said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
What's technically allowed versus what your ISP actually cares about is totally different. In my opinion, if the ISP doesn't care, even if it's outside the official TOS, why should I?
So, your moral compass is completely dependent upon what someone else thinks? If you're with a group of people breaking the law, you're okay with it because they are? If you visit a country where having sex with kids is allowed, you're okay with it because they are?
Your decisions are yours. You know you are breaking the TOS here. You know you are breaking the MS license talked about before. Just because you haven't been caught and probably won't be caught changes nothing. Your moral compass is broken. Admit it and move on, breaking whatever rules you feel you can get away with breaking.
And, while doing that, go on and wonder why your IT career seems to keep falling apart each and every time you seem to get a decent job.
No it is not. I take what others think and feel into consideration, combine it with my own views, and proceed accordingly.
I am also a big picture thinker. In the large scheme of things, does using a key in the cloud instead of locally when it's legitimate locally, but technically not in the cloud going to hurt anyone? No. Did anyone die, lose a job, go without food, or suffer some other harm? No. I don't even think of this in the same way as I do speeding on the highway. When you speed, there is a higher risk you could lose control and hurt someone, or worse, kill someone. You could harm yourself or wreck your car and then have no ride to get to work, etc. Still, most people do that every day.
In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. You say my moral compass is broken. I just choose what things I'm going to choose to exert energy caring about, because I don't have the energy to spare worrying about little, inconsequential stuff anymore.
I see. So, it's all about whether you think it matters or not. The fact that these things do matter, to others, isn't relevant to you because your 'big picture thinking' is more important than the actual written laws.
Good luck with that.
I want a New 500/512GB SSD, Ubquiti Edge Router Lite, and UAP Pro. I guess that's my big picture so stealing it wouldn't really hurt anyone. What's the harm. It's only technically illegal if I get caught. And it fits my big picture.
That's nice. I still don't see it as an apples to apples comparison.
Because something isn't physical? Because you only want to apply laws when it's convenient for you?
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@thanksajdotcom said:
DNS has been locked down. That was something I was not aware of. I have resolved that. The way I did the setup was correct, except I was wrong in my understanding of the Open DNS vs OpenDNS emails and the threat is could potentially pose to others. That's been resolved.
Hey! I lost my internet now!
