CloudatCost OpenDNS Issue
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
Not worth the risk to do otherwise. But in this case, with this server, and because it's not in a business environment, who cares?
Microsoft does, else they would have made an exemption clause for educational use. They did not.
Yeah, and a move like that costs them probably tens of thousands of dollars, because of all the meetings and legal time it takes to get like that spelled out. Again, if they really want to come after me, I'm sure they can find me.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
So if a company won't hire you over lack morals and ethics it's just stupid. Hmm.. Well McDonalds will hire without ethics.
It's about being reasonable. I'm using a Dreamspark key, which is legitimate, for my own personal educational purposes. I did not pirate the key. So I'm using it on a cloud server. Oooohhhhh, big whoop. If a company really wanted to dig deep enough into my world to find that out, AND make an issue out of it, they can take any job they have and stick it. Not worth it to me to work for a company that digs that deep into your life.
It's not legitimate for the use you used it it does not matter that the key is valid.
You obliviously don't realize how good SEO is and that any company will think this means you don't care about terms, laws etc. and will do the same on their own network. I'm curious of what @Minion-Queen would think of a employee or potential employee posting they don't care about violating licensing terms, pirating etc on a public forum.
Ok, violating licensing terms is not equal to pirating. I don't agree with that.
Either one is violating the licensing. So yes as far as your agreement it is just as bad.
That's your opinion. I disagree.
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I'm surprised @PSX_Defector hasn't chimed in more on this.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@Aaron-Studer said:
@thanksajdotcom In life you will learn that having unbelievable integrity means a lot to people.
Can you do what your doing? Sure, I considered doing it. I have a dreamspeak key too, but I am not a student, so I don't use it.
What happens when you don't get a job offer because of this posting?
If a job is going to mince words over an issue like that, I don't want to work there anyways. Also, we've already established the Dreamspark key is valid for life and that's perfectly legal. What you're doing by not using it is just stupid, as it violates nothing to use it.
So if a company won't hire you over lack morals and ethics it's just stupid. Hmm.. Well McDonalds will hire without ethics.
It's about being reasonable. I'm using a Dreamspark key, which is legitimate, for my own personal educational purposes. I did not pirate the key. So I'm using it on a cloud server. Oooohhhhh, big whoop. If a company really wanted to dig deep enough into my world to find that out, AND make an issue out of it, they can take any job they have and stick it. Not worth it to me to work for a company that digs that deep into your life.
It's not legitimate for the use you used it it does not matter that the key is valid.
You obliviously don't realize how good SEO is and that any company will think this means you don't care about terms, laws etc. and will do the same on their own network. I'm curious of what @Minion-Queen would think of a employee or potential employee posting they don't care about violating licensing terms, pirating etc on a public forum.
Ok, violating licensing terms is not equal to pirating. I don't agree with that.
Either one is violating the licensing. So yes as far as your agreement it is just as bad.
That's your opinion. I disagree.
Make up your own rules all you want. But the facts are still facts.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
That's your opinion. I disagree.
Well that's just silly. You have pirated software, plain and simple. There's no grey area here. You can "disagree" all you want but you are either delusional or just being untruthful. Using software without a license (another way to say in an unlicensed way) IS piracy, that's what piracy is. That's ALL that piracy is.
You can make up your own term for piracy all you want, but disagreeing with the simple truth is kind of ridiculous. Feeling that going after you isn't worth it? Sure, that's an opinion and probably correct. Thinking you aren't pirating? You must think we're idiots to think you actually don't think you are pirating.
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The bottom line is.... you don't care that you pirate things. And that's fine, sort of. Take it for what it is. You are open about your piracy, proud of it, I think. You brag about it constantly. When someone calls you on it you use your catchphrase "whatever." Having no moral compass and stealing from others is something you make a decision about. You lose all professional respect and personal integrity when you do it, but that's your choice.
But claiming that the most basic piracy isn't piracy isn't something you get to have an opinion on. It is what it is.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The bottom line is.... you don't care that you pirate things. And that's fine, sort of. Take it for what it is. You are open about your piracy, proud of it, I think. You brag about it constantly. When someone calls you on it you use your catchphrase "whatever." Having no moral compass and stealing from others is something you make a decision about. You lose all professional respect and personal integrity when you do it, but that's your choice.
But claiming that the most basic piracy isn't piracy isn't something you get to have an opinion on. It is what it is.
We can't all have your level of income @scottalanmiller, or get everything you get for free or insane discounts. Being you has granted you certain privileges that I think has disillusioned you to the situation most people are in. Maybe it's the Aspergers or something else, and I don't mean that as a dig, but if it's piracy, fine. It is what it is. No one has been hurt or killed in the process. Microsoft has not gone out of business. No one has lost a job because of this. Yell at me all you want for my "lack of morals/ethics" but from where I'm standing, I don't see anyone suffering.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
We can't all have your level of income @scottalanmiller, or get everything you get for free or insane discounts.
Not having a income to afford something doesn't entitle you to free, reduce stuff or to steal it. Seriously Go in Walmart and try that. just walk out saying it's okay I can't afford this item. That's entitlement attitude someone else has it so I should get it. It's stealing it does not matter it it's a tangible product or not.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
We can't all have your level of income @scottalanmiller, or get everything you get for free or insane discounts.
Not having a income to afford something doesn't entitle you to free, reduce stuff or to steal it. Seriously Go in Walmart and try that. just walk out saying it's okay I can't afford this item. That's entitlement attitude someone else has it so I should get it. It's stealing it does not matter it it's a tangible product or not.
Again, you view using a proper license in this way as stealing. I don't. Argue all you want, but the logic in my head will not view it that way. The example you use is irrelevant to this example.
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That being said, I do agree that physical tangibility is not a deciding factor in a case of theft.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
We can't all have your level of income @scottalanmiller, or get everything you get for free or insane discounts.
Not having a income to afford something doesn't entitle you to free, reduce stuff or to steal it. Seriously Go in Walmart and try that. just walk out saying it's okay I can't afford this item. That's entitlement attitude someone else has it so I should get it. It's stealing it does not matter it it's a tangible product or not.
Again, you view using a proper license in this way as stealing. I don't. Argue all you want, but the logic in my head will not view it that way. The example you use is irrelevant to this example.
It is stealing. It's not subject to opinion. It is a fact!
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@thecreativeone91 said:
It is stealing. It's not subject to opinion. It is a fact!
At worst it's stealing. But misuse of a license would be better construed as breach of contract. You don't go to jail for breaching a contract, not in this country.
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@PSX_Defector said:
At worst it's stealing. But misuse of a license would be better construed as breach of contract. You don't go to jail for breaching a contract, not in this country.
You can when it is piracy. Many people have gone to jail for that. You can say that all piracy is a breach of contract, that's valid. And you can say that that should never send someone to jail, and that's valid. But it's piracy. The software is being used where there is no license. A license only exists when used in the licensed way.
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@thanksajdotcom I find your apparent lack of caring about your online perspectives incongruous in light of your proposed session at SWA2015. You might want to reconsider some of the things that are now publicly tied to your "brand".
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
We can't all have your level of income @scottalanmiller, or get everything you get for free or insane discounts.
Not having a income to afford something doesn't entitle you to free, reduce stuff or to steal it. Seriously Go in Walmart and try that. just walk out saying it's okay I can't afford this item. That's entitlement attitude someone else has it so I should get it. It's stealing it does not matter it it's a tangible product or not.
Again, you view using a proper license in this way as stealing. I don't. Argue all you want, but the logic in my head will not view it that way. The example you use is irrelevant to this example.
A.J., this is why you fail so much, so hard, so often. You cannot admit you are wrong when you are wrong.
In the meantime, don't be surprised if people start reporting you to the BSA:
https://reporting.bsa.org/r/report/add.aspx?src=us&ln=en-us
Not to mention, but you may also be violating the TOC of your FIOS connection from Verizon since you are on a consumer plan.
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I'm not stating an opinion to whether digital piracy should send someone to jail. Nothing of the sort. Only in the US, laws rarely apply when digital domain is involved.
Also, keep in mind he is in NY, so federal and even state law do not apply. It is purely the opinion of a local judge that would determine if he goes to jail. In NY a local judge can jail you without cause. Just the way it is. It's a corrupt system, it's horrible, but it is what it is.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@PSX_Defector said:
At worst it's stealing. But misuse of a license would be better construed as breach of contract. You don't go to jail for breaching a contract, not in this country.
You can when it is piracy. Many people have gone to jail for that. You can say that all piracy is a breach of contract, that's valid. And you can say that that should never send someone to jail, and that's valid. But it's piracy. The software is being used where there is no license. A license only exists when used in the licensed way.
If that's true, how can you ever be in breach of license if there is no license if you aren't using it the licensed way? That would simply make all use outside of a license piracy and contract law wouldn't be part of it. Is that what you are saying?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@PSX_Defector said:
At worst it's stealing. But misuse of a license would be better construed as breach of contract. You don't go to jail for breaching a contract, not in this country.
You can when it is piracy. Many people have gone to jail for that. You can say that all piracy is a breach of contract, that's valid. And you can say that that should never send someone to jail, and that's valid. But it's piracy. The software is being used where there is no license. A license only exists when used in the licensed way.
Eh, I'm no law talkin' guy, but it would seem to me that even under the evil piracy banner, it's still a civil issue. People going to jail would need to be tried and convicted in a criminal court. The ol' endaround of contempt that some pull is not jail, just someone using the legal framework in a new and novel way.
It depends on how the contract is written, and what is going on with it. Again, I'm no law talkin' guy, but I think what AJ is doing most likely floats in a serious grey area. And to add to the fact that this box is in Canada, again this would be breach of contract because of international boarders. We would need a Canadian law talkin' guy, like Saul Abootman, to better answer this question with regards to MS licenses and machines located within the commonwealth.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
It is stealing. It's not subject to opinion. It is a fact!
At worst it's stealing. But misuse of a license would be better construed as breach of contract. You don't go to jail for breaching a contract, not in this country.
Totally agree with this.
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@Dashrender said:
If that's true, how can you ever be in breach of license if there is no license if you aren't using it the licensed way? That would simply make all use outside of a license piracy and contract law wouldn't be part of it. Is that what you are saying?
Piracy is use in a non-contractual way. Whether you had a contract for something different or not doesn't matter.
Here is the example.... you license one copy of Windows. You install twenty. Did you "pirate" nineteen copies? Or did you breach the control of the one? If you buy one MP3, ever, can you steal all you want and refer to it as a breach of contract rather than pirating all of the others?
There is a difference, generally, between breaching a contract and doing something that you have not contracted for.
