Application Lifecycle Management

StrongBad

VBScript was "old", but mature?

tonyshowoff

Was VBScript mature enough but not PHP? That seems unlikely.

VBScript is just garbage no matter what, but even now, but especially at that time, PHP was considered the worst of the worst, and using anything but it is a good thing. I also think it had something to do with wanting to make it to where the people primarily working on FogBugz didn't have to learn a new language, even though it clearly would've been in their best interest.

Reid Cooper

I think that I would start with Jira. Jira has some very low cost options for small teams and some free stuff to get you started with testing.

Ambarishrh

I think this image gives us a clear idea on which product to use at what stage!

scottalanmiller

Basically the entire Atlassian ecosystem. Hard to go wrong there.

I like the JetBrains IDEs over Eclipse, though, personally.

tonyshowoff

@scottalanmiller said:

Basically the entire Atlassian ecosystem. Hard to go wrong there.

I like the JetBrains IDEs over Eclipse, though, personally.

I honestly don't know how anyone could not like JetBrains stuff over Eclipse, then again I see people arguing for Notepad++ over PhpStorm and WebStorm from time to time, bitching about how "they don't work.." I think it's just safer to say "you don't know what you're doing."

Ambarishrh

I am discussing with management soon, to get Jira products! Team size is big around 100, so convincing them for the purchase would be tough!

JaredBusch

@tonyshowoff said:

I honestly don't know how anyone could not like JetBrains stuff over Eclipse, then again I see people arguing for Notepad++ over PhpStorm and WebStorm from time to time, bitching about how "they don't work.." I think it's just safer to say "you don't know what you're doing."

I love Notepad++, but I would never recommend it as an IDE. It is a great Notepad replacement and I have it on all Windows machines I use. It is certainly not an IDE in my opinion.

scottalanmiller

@Ambarishrh said:

I am discussing with management soon, to get Jira products! Team size is big around 100, so convincing them for the purchase would be tough!

Not so cheap at that size, but at that size the value is much higher.

scottalanmiller

@JaredBusch said:

@tonyshowoff said:

I honestly don't know how anyone could not like JetBrains stuff over Eclipse, then again I see people arguing for Notepad++ over PhpStorm and WebStorm from time to time, bitching about how "they don't work.." I think it's just safer to say "you don't know what you're doing."

I love Notepad++, but I would never recommend it as an IDE. It is a great Notepad replacement and I have it on all Windows machines I use. It is certainly not an IDE in my opinion.

You'd be surprised how many people use Notepad++, TexMate, Sublime and not Atom for their IDE replacements. Some, like Notepad++ and Atom are free so I can see people taking the cheap route. But Sublime blows my mind, it costs nearly as much as tools from JetBrains!!

The only time that I see Notepad++ or Atom making tons of sense is when working on a language that you use rarely so getting a full IDE isn't important. Or maybe for learning so you don't have to learn the IDE too.

Atom is made by GitHub, so really focused on software development specifically.