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    • AdamFA
      AdamF @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller I’ll contact my rep. Is it unlimited data I assume? Any idea on cost?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @AdamF
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        @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

        @scottalanmiller I’ll contact my rep. Is it unlimited data I assume? Any idea on cost?

        I assume so, since it's just an extension of your Comcast service.

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        • AdamFA
          AdamF @JasGot
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          @JasGot said in Cellular backup options:

          We use the Peplink MAX BR1 Mini LTE | Industrial-Grade 4G LTE Router | MAX-BR1-MINI-LTE-US-T at about 80 customers. We like it. It's easy, it works. Verizon charges anywhere from $10 to $20 per month depending on how you get them to include it.

          The hardest part of any failover system (except the integrated solution from Comcast) is the router setup. We use all Sonicwall and it works perfect for FailOVER, but every once in a while it doesn't failBACK.

          I even carry one of these with us on vacation when we travel to remote places where cellular IS available but decent copper broadband ISN'T.

          This plugs into you network via ethernet, or it can be a WiFi router. (or both!)

          Here's a link: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR5YKF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

          76070677-f4db-42d8-b328-631f123da187-image.png

          That looks like a decent solution too. I like that you can go to other networks like Verizon, etc.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @AdamF
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            @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

            @JasGot said in Cellular backup options:

            We use the Peplink MAX BR1 Mini LTE | Industrial-Grade 4G LTE Router | MAX-BR1-MINI-LTE-US-T at about 80 customers. We like it. It's easy, it works. Verizon charges anywhere from $10 to $20 per month depending on how you get them to include it.

            The hardest part of any failover system (except the integrated solution from Comcast) is the router setup. We use all Sonicwall and it works perfect for FailOVER, but every once in a while it doesn't failBACK.

            I even carry one of these with us on vacation when we travel to remote places where cellular IS available but decent copper broadband ISN'T.

            This plugs into you network via ethernet, or it can be a WiFi router. (or both!)

            Here's a link: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR5YKF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

            76070677-f4db-42d8-b328-631f123da187-image.png

            That looks like a decent solution too. I like that you can go to other networks like Verizon, etc.

            It's always another network. 4G providers are almost never physical ISPs.

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            • AdamFA
              AdamF @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

              @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

              @JasGot said in Cellular backup options:

              We use the Peplink MAX BR1 Mini LTE | Industrial-Grade 4G LTE Router | MAX-BR1-MINI-LTE-US-T at about 80 customers. We like it. It's easy, it works. Verizon charges anywhere from $10 to $20 per month depending on how you get them to include it.

              The hardest part of any failover system (except the integrated solution from Comcast) is the router setup. We use all Sonicwall and it works perfect for FailOVER, but every once in a while it doesn't failBACK.

              I even carry one of these with us on vacation when we travel to remote places where cellular IS available but decent copper broadband ISN'T.

              This plugs into you network via ethernet, or it can be a WiFi router. (or both!)

              Here's a link: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR5YKF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

              76070677-f4db-42d8-b328-631f123da187-image.png

              That looks like a decent solution too. I like that you can go to other networks like Verizon, etc.

              It's always another network. 4G providers are almost never physical ISPs.

              Right, but what I meant was that I didn't know if Comcast used their own cell network. However I think Comcast uses Verizon under the hood anyway for their cell network. Can anyone confirm that?

              Another alternative would be to get a second physical connection in the building. However, the only other option is a super slow DSL connection. But as just a backup, that could works as well.

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                JasGot @AdamF
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                @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                However I think Comcast uses Verizon under the hood anyway for their cell network. Can anyone confirm that?

                Comcast has agreements with all of the cellular networks. Who the underlying carrier is depends on your geo location. This is why they may send you a new sim card if you move to a new area that is serviced by another carrier.

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                • dbeatoD
                  dbeato
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                  @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

                  e. They use CradlePoint hardware.
                  That is what we use a lot for this type of options.

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                  • AdamFA
                    AdamF
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                    What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

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                    • travisdh1T
                      travisdh1 @AdamF
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                      @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                      What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                      A previous employer of mine had a very large client that used Cradle Point as a backup for each location. The Cradle Point had static IPs as well, so we could set the VPNs to use either the main or Cradle Point IP.

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                      • AdamFA
                        AdamF @travisdh1
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                        @travisdh1 said in Cellular backup options:

                        @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                        What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                        A previous employer of mine had a very large client that used Cradle Point as a backup for each location. The Cradle Point had static IPs as well, so we could set the VPNs to use either the main or Cradle Point IP.

                        Did they use cradlepoint direct with their own LTE connection? Or did they use the Comcast connection pro solution?

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @dbeato
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                          @dbeato said in Cellular backup options:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

                          e. They use CradlePoint hardware.
                          That is what we use a lot for this type of options.

                          Do these devices get the same IP from the cellular carrier all the time? S2S VPNs or other things tied to IPs will be challenged if not.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @JasGot
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                            @JasGot said in Cellular backup options:

                            @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                            However I think Comcast uses Verizon under the hood anyway for their cell network. Can anyone confirm that?

                            Comcast has agreements with all of the cellular networks. Who the underlying carrier is depends on your geo location. This is why they may send you a new sim card if you move to a new area that is serviced by another carrier.

                            Its' AT&T in most locations we have with them.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @AdamF
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                              @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                              What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                              I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @AdamF
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                                @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                                We are a VoIP vendor and we often use this with clients for VoIP protection. We've never seen any double NATting issues.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                  @Dashrender said in Cellular backup options:

                                  @dbeato said in Cellular backup options:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

                                  e. They use CradlePoint hardware.
                                  That is what we use a lot for this type of options.

                                  Do these devices get the same IP from the cellular carrier all the time? S2S VPNs or other things tied to IPs will be challenged if not.

                                  I believe that they do.

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                                  • travisdh1T
                                    travisdh1 @AdamF
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                                    @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Cellular backup options:

                                    @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                    What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                                    A previous employer of mine had a very large client that used Cradle Point as a backup for each location. The Cradle Point had static IPs as well, so we could set the VPNs to use either the main or Cradle Point IP.

                                    Did they use cradlepoint direct with their own LTE connection? Or did they use the Comcast connection pro solution?

                                    They were all Verizon.

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                                    • AdamFA
                                      AdamF @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

                                      @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                      What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                                      I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.

                                      I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @AdamF
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                                        @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

                                        @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                        What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                                        I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.

                                        I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.

                                        Oh, too bad. Not a huge deal in most cases, but not ideal.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @AdamF
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                                          @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

                                          @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                          What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                                          I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.

                                          I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.

                                          I'm really not surprised by this - Making your IPs work across different networks is a pretty huge deal.

                                          Personally - I just want the same IP (the one assigned by cellular) when I'm on cellular everytime - that way a backup VPN route can be setup to that IP, or whitelisted in firewalls for things like PBX's, etc.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in Cellular backup options:

                                            @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Cellular backup options:

                                            @AdamF said in Cellular backup options:

                                            What is the physical connection layout for the Cradle point? I understand that the static IP block that I have from Comcast would NOT work during a failover scenario. I can deal with that. However, under normal operation (not in LTE failover), is this configured in such a way that creates double NATing? We have VoIP phones connecting to a cloud PBX, and I would not want to deal with double NAT.

                                            I've not tested with static, but the assumption would be that the static would still work.

                                            I just heard from my rep. Static IPs will not work during LTE backup. Once normal service is restored, the IPs are available again, but not during the LTE backup.

                                            I'm really not surprised by this - Making your IPs work across different networks is a pretty huge deal.

                                            Personally - I just want the same IP (the one assigned by cellular) when I'm on cellular everytime - that way a backup VPN route can be setup to that IP, or whitelisted in firewalls for things like PBX's, etc.

                                            That's where more robust VPN design comes into play. Like having a central controller like ZeroTier, or a hub and spoke where you reach out to a central point. End points connecting directly to each other with no coordination is a fragile design.

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