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    Reconsidering ProxMox

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @jmoore
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      @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

      @scottalanmiller So I can use it like kvm but it just has extra features?

      It IS KVM, it's just a management layer on top of KVM.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @jmoore
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        @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

        @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

        The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V. That's it. And Bhyve might as well not exist.

        All products on the market are these products. They may come in different packages, but at the end of the day, every solution is one of these.

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        • mroth911M
          mroth911
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          I have been trying ovirt, proxmox and now I am onto xcp-ng.

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            JasGot @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

            The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V

            I've given up on Proxmox.

            What do you use to manage KVM? I know you've mentioned it several times, but I can't recall the name.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @JasGot
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              @JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

              What do you use to manage KVM? I know you've mentioned it several times, but I can't recall the name.

              We were using virt-manager. But Cockpit will do the trick now in the latest release.

              What made you give up on Proxmox?

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              • black3dynamiteB
                black3dynamite @JasGot
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                @JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V

                I've given up on Proxmox.

                What do you use to manage KVM? I know you've mentioned it several times, but I can't recall the name.

                Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) and Cockpit. Using Fedora as your KVM host is the best choice if you want the latest version version of Cockpit. But Cockpit also doesn't provide a lot of configuration options like you can with virt-manager.

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                • matteo nunziatiM
                  matteo nunziati
                  last edited by

                  Any update on this?! Never been exposed to proxmox and I'm curious!

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                  • matteo nunziatiM
                    matteo nunziati @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                    @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                    @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

                    The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V. That's it. And Bhyve might as well not exist.

                    All products on the market are these products. They may come in different packages, but at the end of the day, every solution is one of these.

                    Don't forget openbsd:
                    (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

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                    • black3dynamiteB
                      black3dynamite @VoIP_n00b
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                      @VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                      @black3dynamite interesting. Have you used this?

                      The script works great.

                      And found a quick way to confirm if the hook script works after a Proxmox replaces proxmoxlib.js file.

                      apt --reinstall install proxmox-widget-toolkit
                      
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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati
                        last edited by

                        @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                        Any update on this?! Never been exposed to proxmox and I'm curious!

                        So far, we are liking it. It's still early, but looking good.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @matteo nunziati
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                          @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                          @jmoore said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                          @black3dynamite Ok thanks. So it looks like another virtualization option. What advantages and disadvantages does it have with KVM?

                          The only production virtualization platforms are ESXi, Xen, KVM, Bhyve, and Hyper-V. That's it. And Bhyve might as well not exist.

                          All products on the market are these products. They may come in different packages, but at the end of the day, every solution is one of these.

                          Don't forget openbsd:
                          (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

                          I HAD forgotten about that. Anyone ever tried it?

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                            1337 @matteo nunziati
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                            @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                            Don't forget openbsd:
                            (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

                            That is bhyve I believe. Vmm is the kernel module of bhyve.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @1337
                              last edited by

                              @Pete-S said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                              @matteo-nunziati said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                              Don't forget openbsd:
                              (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html)

                              That is bhyve I believe. Vmm is the kernel module of bhyve.

                              Ah, that would explain why I didn't know about it 🙂

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                              • warren.stanleyW
                                warren.stanley @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller - what storage options are you using with your testing?

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @warren.stanley
                                  last edited by

                                  @warren-stanley said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                  @scottalanmiller - what storage options are you using with your testing?

                                  Local. Nearly all of our systems are stand alone, local storage.

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                                  • warren.stanleyW
                                    warren.stanley @scottalanmiller
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                                    Are you using hardware RAID or ZFS? I'm interested as the Proxmox wiki doesn't encourage mdraid.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @warren.stanley
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                                      @warren-stanley said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                      Are you using hardware RAID or ZFS? I'm interested as the Proxmox wiki doesn't encourage mdraid.

                                      Meh, I'm still not sure I would look at ProxMox because of all the shit like that over the years.

                                      But to answer your question, use hardware raid giving you blind swap to skip it mattering to the Hypervisor. That is the same decision no matter the hypervisor.

                                      Anyone that wants to manage the raid within the hypervisor is crazy. That never makes good business sense, IMO.

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                                      • warren.stanleyW
                                        warren.stanley @JaredBusch
                                        last edited by

                                        Yeah, Proxmox has been on the edge of my radar for years, occasionally I've run up a box to have a look at its progress - never keeping it for actual production use. I've hesitated revisiting recently, for concerns similar to what is echoed in this thread and other past experiences.

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                                        • CloudKnightC
                                          CloudKnight @warren.stanley
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                                          I've been using proxmox for over a year now. I have read past threads and understand some of issues were not good but, the product itself is good. I wasn't too happy what happend with xencenter and it pretty much pushed everyone to use xcp-ng. Companies can be arses at times. look at some of shit Microsoft has pulled in the past.

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch
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                                            The only hold up I have is full backups. That is simply not practical for the real world.

                                            Sure, in a better world, state and data only make this better for many things, but even then, not all.

                                            But in the real world we have old bespoke software and a myriad of other poor practices that prevent moving businesses to a place where only full backups would be a valid use case.

                                            It is why I am still on Hyper-V + Veeam for clients.

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