Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@coliver said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I believe VPNs are illegal, just be aware.
IIRC so are certain types of encryption.
And all modern messaging software.
So that would mean iMessage can't be used since its always encrypted.
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@black3dynamite said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@coliver said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I believe VPNs are illegal, just be aware.
IIRC so are certain types of encryption.
And all modern messaging software.
So that would mean iMessage can't be used since its always encrypted.
What messenger isnt encrypted anymore is the better question. Even Facebook messages have been encrypted for a long time.
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I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
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@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course. -
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@black3dynamite said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@coliver said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I believe VPNs are illegal, just be aware.
IIRC so are certain types of encryption.
And all modern messaging software.
So that would mean iMessage can't be used since its always encrypted.
What messenger isnt encrypted anymore is the better question. Even Facebook messages have been encrypted for a long time.
LOL, good point.
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@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
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@black3dynamite said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@coliver said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I believe VPNs are illegal, just be aware.
IIRC so are certain types of encryption.
And all modern messaging software.
So that would mean iMessage can't be used since its always encrypted.
You can't use any tech with real time voice. It's not about security, it's that it is illegal to bypass their phone carrier for voice traffic.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
Maybe outside the USA.but around here, I don’t buy it.
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@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
Maybe outside the USA.but around here, I don’t buy it.
Meaning... it's not a current tech. It's an intentional use of a non-current tech. Like using cursive.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
Maybe outside the USA.but around here, I don’t buy it.
Meaning... it's not a current tech. It's an intentional use of a non-current tech. Like using cursive.
Not everyone can afford to keep up.
It’s the lowest common denominator approach. -
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
Maybe outside the USA.but around here, I don’t buy it.
Meaning... it's not a current tech. It's an intentional use of a non-current tech. Like using cursive.
oh brother.. yes, moms and dads everywhere in the USA are intentionally using non-current tech. Going out of their way to use non-current tech... I just forgot that.
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@nadnerB said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
Maybe outside the USA.but around here, I don’t buy it.
Meaning... it's not a current tech. It's an intentional use of a non-current tech. Like using cursive.
Not everyone can afford to keep up.
It’s the lowest common denominator approach.Actually it's not. It's always been for the rich and elitest to use a very expensive "throwback" technology. It's like hipsters using typewriters. They are not cheap nor effective. They are cumbersome and expensive today, a way to flaunt being able to waste time and money.
Email has been the free, lowest common denominator for decades now.
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@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
Maybe outside the USA.but around here, I don’t buy it.
Meaning... it's not a current tech. It's an intentional use of a non-current tech. Like using cursive.
oh brother.. yes, moms and dads everywhere in the USA are intentionally using non-current tech. Going out of their way to use non-current tech... I just forgot that.
Of course they are, it's called hipsters. What universe have you lived in?
Did you forget that SMS was old, died out, and then came back as a response to too much tech and people liking using old things just to show that they didn't have to modernize?
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@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
Did you forget that SMS was old, died out, and then came back as a response to too much tech and people liking using old things just to show that they didn't have to modernize?
Email is not modern by any stretch of the imagination.
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@DustinB3403 said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
Did you forget that SMS was old, died out, and then came back as a response to too much tech and people liking using old things just to show that they didn't have to modernize?
Email is not modern by any stretch of the imagination.
Not new, but it is the current state of the art. SMS is the polar opposite.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@DustinB3403 said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
Did you forget that SMS was old, died out, and then came back as a response to too much tech and people liking using old things just to show that they didn't have to modernize?
Email is not modern by any stretch of the imagination.
Not new, but it is the current state of the art. SMS is the polar opposite.
SMS was invented in 1992, email was invented in 1972.
How does that compute that SMS is not more modern than email?
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@DustinB3403 said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@DustinB3403 said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
Did you forget that SMS was old, died out, and then came back as a response to too much tech and people liking using old things just to show that they didn't have to modernize?
Email is not modern by any stretch of the imagination.
Not new, but it is the current state of the art. SMS is the polar opposite.
SMS was invented in 1992, email was invented in 1972.
How does that compute that SMS is not more modern than email?
By not being a factor
SMS is a legacy tech, it's been superseded by loads of things that are converged. Anything non-converged is legacy, period. Email, while older in some senses, remains the state of the art for what it does, literally nothing competes with it. So by being state of the art, rather than a legacy tech, it's more modern.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@IRJ said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
I would assume server side encryption probably ok, but end to end encryption is not...
again, what messaging isn't end to end these days?
SMS of course.One can argue that SMS isn't "these days."
Maybe outside the USA.but around here, I don’t buy it.
Meaning... it's not a current tech. It's an intentional use of a non-current tech. Like using cursive.
oh brother.. yes, moms and dads everywhere in the USA are intentionally using non-current tech. Going out of their way to use non-current tech... I just forgot that.
Of course they are, it's called hipsters. What universe have you lived in?
Did you forget that SMS was old, died out, and then came back as a response to too much tech and people liking using old things just to show that they didn't have to modernize?
No, I don't recall SMS ever dieing. I'm guessing there must have been billboards or a Reddit post about to much tech and how hard messaging was, so hey everyone go back to SMS...
I'd say that SMS holds on because it's the default on any phone in the US. it requires nothing special. i.e. the lowest common denominator - just like email.
The problem with "modern" chat clients is they are completely fractured. There's hundreds of them. You don't know what to use until you use a completely different communication channel to tell/hear where people are.
this is made worse by the fact that your kids are constantly bouncing from one service to the next, hardly ever to be tracked, etc..
It's a flipping disaster. It's another reason that email and faxing holds on - it's near universal (in both cases), but secure texting is not.
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@Dashrender said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
No, I don't recall SMS ever dieing.
That's the problem. Once it made its hipster comeback, it's easy to forget that the market had largely moved past it because it was a dead, antiquated system.
That it wasn't made in the 1800s doesn't change the fact that SMS is conceptually based on and around antiquated tech and needs. It's fundamentally out of place in the modern world.
You could invest a new "dot matrix like" printer tech today, that is already legacy because it's less modern than older tech.
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@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@DustinB3403 said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
@scottalanmiller said in Rant: I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.:
Did you forget that SMS was old, died out, and then came back as a response to too much tech and people liking using old things just to show that they didn't have to modernize?
Email is not modern by any stretch of the imagination.
Not new, but it is the current state of the art. SMS is the polar opposite.
"it is the current state of the art" of what? email? well sure - the thing will almost always be the state of the art unless something else exists in that same realm, which for email itself, nothing does.
So you're saying since SMS is a chat tool - and there are other more modern chat tools, SMS isn't modern - OK I'll give you that, but then I'll also say that email is a not the state of the art for message/file transfer either - Teams/Slack/Discord are all modern version of what email can be.
