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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @coliver
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      @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

      @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

      Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

      From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

      Yeah, 1000 users, 1000 servers.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

        @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

        @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

        Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

        From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

        Yeah, 1000 users, 1000 servers.

        In a case like that, does ansible really make sense then? Would salt be easier to setup and maintain, since that is agent based?

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

          @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

          Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

          So a full server traveling with every laptop? I get that it could be a VM on top of every Windows's instance, but that seems absurdly complex. And how to you make sure it fires up? And how do you manage hundreds or thousands of "one to one" servers to devices? And if you need a server for each device, does any of it make sense?

          Oh, lol... so mobile devices. I missed that bit.

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce @coliver
            last edited by Obsolesce

            @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

            @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

            Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

            From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

            Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows mobile devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
              last edited by

              @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

              @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

              @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

              Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

              From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

              Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

              Because they're being paid to manage them.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                Because they're being paid to manage them.

                Then they should manage them with MDM software.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
                  last edited by

                  @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                  @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                  @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                  @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                  Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                  From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                  Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                  Because they're being paid to manage them.

                  Then they should manage them with MDM software.

                  And which MDM would recommend?

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                    last edited by

                    @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                    @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                    @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                    @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                    Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                    From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                    Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                    Because they're being paid to manage them.

                    Then they should manage them with MDM software.

                    But Salt works fine, I'm wondering if Ansible has the same or similar level of power. MDM is definitely the wrong tool here.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                      @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                      @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                      Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                      From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                      Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows mobile devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                      What is Ansible for if not managing your computers? It's what Salt is for.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                        last edited by

                        @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                        @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                        @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                        Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                        From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                        Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows mobile devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                        Even not an MSP, why would anyone want to use anything but state machines for managing their machines?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                          last edited by

                          @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                          @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                          Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                          So a full server traveling with every laptop? I get that it could be a VM on top of every Windows's instance, but that seems absurdly complex. And how to you make sure it fires up? And how do you manage hundreds or thousands of "one to one" servers to devices? And if you need a server for each device, does any of it make sense?

                          Oh, lol... so mobile devices. I missed that bit.

                          Not mobile, desktops, laptops, servers... all computing devices. We want (and have with Salt), a single, uniform, enterprise, state based means of management. These aren't special cases, they are just "normal computing devices". It would be awful to have to use one tool for the "LAN", and one for the modern "LAN-less" components of a company.

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                          • ObsolesceO
                            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                            @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                            @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                            @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                            Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                            From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                            Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows mobile devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                            What is Ansible for if not managing your computers? It's what Salt is for.

                            MDM != configuration management

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                              last edited by

                              @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                              @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                              @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                              @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                              Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                              From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                              Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows mobile devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                              What is Ansible for if not managing your computers? It's what Salt is for.

                              MDM != configuration management

                              I want what Salt does... complete system management via State. There is a reason that state management is considered the future of system management.

                              Why do I want MDM if it doesn't do what we are looking for?

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                A simple test would be this.... if MDM is the right tool for your laptops, then it would also be the right tool for your servers. But I've seen no one think that that would make sense. Treating servers, desktops, and laptops, and their network locations, as difference conceptual animals is a fragility and complexity that shouldn't exist. They are all one thing, system management. Some more complex, some simpler, but the basics are identical.

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                                • ObsolesceO
                                  Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                  We want (and have with Salt), a single, uniform, enterprise, state based means of management.

                                  Salt works, but it's not MDM.

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                  @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                  @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                  Why not have an Ansible server on the same network as the devices and reachable by the Ansible server?

                                  From an MSP perspective that can get pretty inefficient and heavy.

                                  Why is an MSP wanting to manage client user Windows mobile devices with Ansible? That doesn't make much sense and not really what it's for.

                                  What is Ansible for if not managing your computers? It's what Salt is for.

                                  MDM != configuration management

                                  I want what Salt does... complete system management via State. There is a reason that state management is considered the future of system management.

                                  Why do I want MDM if it doesn't do what we are looking for?

                                  Maybe I don't know what you are looking for.

                                  I think you want to manage devices, that can be mobile, with a configuration management tool, instead of a device management tool.

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                    A simple test would be this.... if MDM is the right tool for your laptops, then it would also be the right tool for your servers.

                                    Servers are not mobile devices.

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                                    • coliverC
                                      coliver @Obsolesce
                                      last edited by

                                      @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                      A simple test would be this.... if MDM is the right tool for your laptops, then it would also be the right tool for your servers.

                                      Servers are not mobile devices.

                                      Nor are Desktops but it would be nice to manage them with the same tool. Intune comes to mind it will do some state management and is getting better with time...

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                                        last edited by

                                        @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                        A simple test would be this.... if MDM is the right tool for your laptops, then it would also be the right tool for your servers.

                                        Servers are not mobile devices.

                                        Nor are desktops. They are all the same. Everything is somewhat mobile, nothing is totally stationary or totally mobile. They are just "computing devices". Needing to define their rate of mobility as a part of their ability to be managed would be a failure of any solution.

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                                        • ObsolesceO
                                          Obsolesce @coliver
                                          last edited by

                                          @coliver said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                          @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                          A simple test would be this.... if MDM is the right tool for your laptops, then it would also be the right tool for your servers.

                                          Servers are not mobile devices.

                                          Nor are Desktops but it would be nice to manage them with the same tool. Intune comes to mind it will do some state management and is getting better with time...

                                          Intune only works because it's built to work that way. The operating systems and software that runs on them is built to work with intune so that the devices can be managed. Intune is (M)DM. Jamf is (M)DM. SaltStack, Ansible, etc is not device management. SaltStack has a big plus that it works well to manage devices due to the nature of agent based.

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                                          • ObsolesceO
                                            Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                            @Obsolesce said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Ansible Agent Option?:

                                            A simple test would be this.... if MDM is the right tool for your laptops, then it would also be the right tool for your servers.

                                            Servers are not mobile devices.

                                            Nor are desktops. They are all the same. Everything is somewhat mobile, nothing is totally stationary or totally mobile. They are just "computing devices". Needing to define their rate of mobility as a part of their ability to be managed would be a failure of any solution.

                                            That's not the whole point. It's Device management versus configuration / state management.

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