Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II
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@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
How is Ubuntu more production ready than Debian?
Support is generally considered an important thing for production. Primary vendor support, even if you don't pay for it and only maintain it as an option, is considered a hallmark of consideration for being in production. Think about Windows 7 and how people talk about it "going out of support" next year and what a big deal that is. But Debian has no support at all, so is in many ways similar to running Windows 7 many years down the road (without the part about being out of date.)
You can't use the "it's out of support" logic and "Debian is production ready" because it's conflicting. Ubuntu is basically Debian with enterprise backing.
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@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Ubuntu 19.04 worked like a charm.
Did you even try Debian? Why torture yourself?
Because it's for production.
How is Ubuntu more production ready than Debian?
A better question - how is that antique server ready for production???
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@RojoLoco said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Ubuntu 19.04 worked like a charm.
Did you even try Debian? Why torture yourself?
Because it's for production.
How is Ubuntu more production ready than Debian?
A better question - how is that antique server ready for production???
Not my choice, that bit is insane.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@RojoLoco said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Ubuntu 19.04 worked like a charm.
Did you even try Debian? Why torture yourself?
Because it's for production.
How is Ubuntu more production ready than Debian?
A better question - how is that antique server ready for production???
Not my choice, that bit is insane.
We have a few here, when they finally go away, I'm calling in scientists to carbon date the internal components and look for microscopic fossils inside.
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Does this server have Pentium II's?
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@DustinB3403 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Does this server have Pentium II's?
Might as well.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Think about Windows 7 and how people talk about it "going out of support" next year and what a big deal that is. But Debian has no support at all, so is in many ways similar to running Windows 7 many years down the road (without the part about being out of date.)
Wow, that was a stretch. The main problem with Windows 7's end of life is that there will be no security updates. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Win7 customers don't depend on Microsoft support.
Debian doesn't do support because Debian is not a company. So running Debian is simply like running Fedora.
Customers either support it themselves or find 3rd party to do it for them. For a lot of customers that is not a good option so it makes sense to use a distro with commercial support options. -
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Wow, that was a stretch. The main problem with Windows 7's end of life is that there will be no security updates.
But in reality, MS brings them out for a long time yet. They are still patching all kinds of things for security. The big "panic" is about support ending, not patches ending.
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@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Win7 customers don't depend on Microsoft support.
"Depend on" is never the factor. It's "is available". That's what is considered and what people freak out about.
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@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Debian doesn't do support because Debian is not a company.
Of course not, and there is nothing wrong there at all. But there is no Debian company, that's the issue. Ubuntu is the company that takes Debian and adds an enterprise vendor and support options. It gets all the options that Debian has, plus more market share, plus the primary vendor to back you. Debian is awesome, but awesome because they make the base for Ubuntu.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Win7 customers don't depend on Microsoft support.
"Depend on" is never the factor. It's "is available". That's what is considered and what people freak out about.
I disagree. It's the lack of security updates that has forced enterprises to upgrade. For servers it's different, but for desktops. Hell no.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Debian doesn't do support because Debian is not a company.
Of course not, and there is nothing wrong there at all. But there is no Debian company, that's the issue. Ubuntu is the company that takes Debian and adds an enterprise vendor and support options. It gets all the options that Debian has, plus more market share, plus the primary vendor to back you. Debian is awesome, but awesome because they make the base for Ubuntu.
I agree. It's just like Fedora - upstream for RHEL. No support from RedHat.
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@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Win7 customers don't depend on Microsoft support.
"Depend on" is never the factor. It's "is available". That's what is considered and what people freak out about.
I disagree. It's the lack of security updates that has forced enterprises to upgrade. For servers it's different, but for desktops. Hell no.
If that were true, more customers would actually care about patching systems. But patching isn't broadly considered very important, but being out of support is.
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@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Debian doesn't do support because Debian is not a company.
Of course not, and there is nothing wrong there at all. But there is no Debian company, that's the issue. Ubuntu is the company that takes Debian and adds an enterprise vendor and support options. It gets all the options that Debian has, plus more market share, plus the primary vendor to back you. Debian is awesome, but awesome because they make the base for Ubuntu.
I agree. It's just like Fedora - upstream for RHEL. No support from RedHat.
If you have RH support, I guarantee they offer Fedora support. Having been an RH customer, they support whatever you pay them to support
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Win7 customers don't depend on Microsoft support.
"Depend on" is never the factor. It's "is available". That's what is considered and what people freak out about.
I disagree. It's the lack of security updates that has forced enterprises to upgrade. For servers it's different, but for desktops. Hell no.
If that were true, more customers would actually care about patching systems. But patching isn't broadly considered very important, but being out of support is.
Maybe we are just talking about different kind of customers. The ones I talk about patch their desktops automatically and frequently. But they won't upgrade when mainstream support ends, they'll wait until it has to be done, when it's E.O.L and no security patches are available.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Not my choice, that bit is insane.
and they're SO LOUD!
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@JasGot said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Not my choice, that bit is insane.
and they're SO LOUD!
Yeah, kind of a jet engine sound.
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@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@Pete-S said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Win7 customers don't depend on Microsoft support.
"Depend on" is never the factor. It's "is available". That's what is considered and what people freak out about.
I disagree. It's the lack of security updates that has forced enterprises to upgrade. For servers it's different, but for desktops. Hell no.
If that were true, more customers would actually care about patching systems. But patching isn't broadly considered very important, but being out of support is.
Maybe we are just talking about different kind of customers. The ones I talk about patch their desktops automatically and frequently. But they won't upgrade when mainstream support ends, they'll wait until it has to be done, when it's E.O.L and no security patches are available.
I think that those tend towards the niche. People who are willing to stay up to date on patches, but not on the systems. They definitely exist, but they fall into a logically weird place that makes no sense. If you care about security and patching, why are they not updating the platform regularly, too?
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Just curious what role this server will be playing...
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@RojoLoco said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@RojoLoco said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@travisdh1 said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux Options for Dell PowerEdge 2950 II:
Ubuntu 19.04 worked like a charm.
Did you even try Debian? Why torture yourself?
Because it's for production.
How is Ubuntu more production ready than Debian?
A better question - how is that antique server ready for production???
Not my choice, that bit is insane.
We have a few here, when they finally go away, I'm calling in scientists to carbon date the internal components and look for microscopic fossils inside.
I figure you'll find at least a fossil of a couple of amoeba's on something that resembles a hamster wheel.
