Why mostly people hire Developers from India?
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@jjackryan said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
the cost of hiring developers from India is affordable than any others.
Not really. Ever actually tried it? Good Indian developers cost 90% of their western counterparts and anyone good enough to be a competent developer has the option to move to either someplace outside of India, or high cost places inside of India and there is no significant cost advantage. However the risks and legal barriers to doing work in India is extremely high and is far more than the 10% difference. Real software development is way cheaper outside of India, there is a reason that globalization hasn't lowered rates in the US or EU - because pay is based on value. If you are in India and a good developer, you'll almost always opt to leave India to earn more in a market without the overhead problems that India has.
If you aren't paying rates equal to or higher than rates in the west, then you are getting unqualified developers and as any dev shop knows really, really well, cheap and unqualified work is worthless. Often work done this way has negative value, it costs more to fix than it would have to make fresh with good developers. Same is true for cheap devs in the US or EU, it has nothing to do with India. The only reason that India's name is associated with this is because of the obvious factors of India being the world's largest English speaking economy combined with a cultural and economic opportunity to go after foolish business people in the US and EU who think that for some reason Indians would be cheap while still being skilled. Basically it's a cultural opportunity to take advantage of western xenophobia. And it works, so good on India for figuring that out. But it means that trying to use India for offshore development either requires a massive investment in building your own company there which would require hundreds or thousands of workers to justify (if you can ever justify the legal issues India presents - I'm not sure you can) or paying rates significantly higher than you would anywhere else.
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@EddieJennings said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
If you're talking about within the US, I don't think "mostly people" hire their developers specifically from India.
I actually know many that do. There is a specific "I want it from India, because India is cheap" mantra. To the point that many people associate the term "offshore" with India, not with offshoring in general.
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@EddieJennings said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
I know some companies outsource dev work using businesses like Accenture.
You outsource to Accenture. They specifically offshore to India.
Don't mix outsourcing and offshoring. Totally different concepts.
Offshoring: sending work outside of the country, traditionally overseas, not within the western hemisphere for Americans (but the term is broader now.)
Outsourcing: sending work to another company, could be in the same building as you.
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Real world examples:
Almost everyone outsources their IT. The companies that do this are called MSPs. Your local MSP in Georgia with two people working there, both "Americans" and living right down the street from you is outsourcing.
The team of people who are full time employees of a big US bank, but are hired at that bank's Indian offices are offshored. They are internal people, but they are outside of the country. In the case of more companies than not, they are specifically in India (being by far the largest offshore market in the world.)
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@EddieJennings said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
This reeks of spam, but on the off chance that it isn't. . .
That would be @scottalanmiller spamming replied to a spam thread. Fitting
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Another interesting way to think of it...
NTG is an ITSP, to our customers, we are an outsourcer. People outsource their IT to us. Internally NTG never outsources, part of who we are is "family" oriented and we try to hire people that we keep. But NTG is a huge believe in offshoring.
So take @Romo as an example. He's part of the NTG family, so not outsourced, he is an employee. But he is outside of the US, so he is offshored (a type known as nearshoring, but again, that's an American-only concept.)
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@JaredBusch said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
@EddieJennings said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
This reeks of spam, but on the off chance that it isn't. . .
That would be @scottalanmiller spamming replied to a spam thread. Fitting
It's a good discussion and no links provided so, who it exists isn't really important.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
@JaredBusch said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
@EddieJennings said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
This reeks of spam, but on the off chance that it isn't. . .
That would be @scottalanmiller spamming replied to a spam thread. Fitting
It's a good discussion and no links provided so, who it exists isn't really important.
I have a caffeine deficiency this morning. So I don’t care.
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When I worked for a giant US bank, I was an employee but I was offshored. That's because the core team which I supported was based in high cost London. Compared to London, Manhattan was a low cost offshore location. So while I was offshored, I was a high end offshore.
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@JaredBusch said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
@EddieJennings said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
This reeks of spam, but on the off chance that it isn't. . .
That would be @scottalanmiller spamming replied to a spam thread. Fitting
Huh?
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Offshoring junior Devs that will end up always being junior Devs is a good way to make your senior developers have to work harder and give them incentive to find a new company.
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@flaxking said in Why mostly people hire Developers from India?:
Offshoring junior Devs that will end up always being junior Devs is a good way to make your senior developers have to work harder and give them incentive to find a new company.
LOL, and so true.
