Pizza Selection...Just NO!
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Having worked on a huge team at the world's largest bank (at the time), the Italian manager of the team was excited when they hired me because I wasn't Indian and would eat meat, tipping the scales towards the carnivores. The Indians were laughing pretty hard as I was one of the strictest vegetarians on the team. It hadn't occurred to the manager that I might be a vegetarian too. Our team was over 50% vegetarian, which was pretty dramatic. But it was mirrored throughout the company. Any team we dealt with had at least a sizeable vegetarian representation.
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Fortune 1000s see it far more (and are also the bulk of IT pros in the US) because they are the ones capable of sponsoring H1B visas.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Ah, I thought you mean't there was something about IT that makes people become vegetarian, or that vegetarians are naturally attracted to a career in IT. Instead you mean that in the US a large number of IT staff are Indian, and a large number of Indians are vegetarians.
Correct. In the US, where we have and have had a massive IT staffing shortfall, there is a huge immigration of Indians to fill those roles (and others, but IT heavily.) And that immigration, while everywhere, is specifically focused on NJ (NYC area, but NJ specifically) and Dallas. Those are the hot spots for Indian immigration overall, are hot spots for IT in general and also for the combination of the two (the later being heavily pushed by a forced migration of IT workers from NYC and NJ to Dallas due to market pressures - I was moved in the same migration and most everyone moved with me was Indian.)
IT does attract non-Indian vegetarians slightly more often than many other fields do, but only slightly. Any highly creative or intellectual career is more likely to have vegetarians than blue collar labour is. But the numbers are minor. It's the racial makeup of the field in the US that significantly creates the dietary change (that and the influence of the field from Silicon Valley which is America's vegetarian heartland.)
With the Indian workers, we still have a massive shortfall, but in terms of skill and not body count. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of competent and skilled Indian people in IT. But I have only met one or two.
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All this talk of food - forget pizza, I would kill for a spicy Indian veg curry right now!
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@thanksaj said:
With the Indian workers, we still have a massive shortfall, but in terms of skill and not body count. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of competent and skilled Indian people in IT. But I have only met one or two.
I would guess that I have worked with over a thousand. Hard to guess when the numbers get large. I've lived right in the middle of the Indian cultural centers in both NJ and Dallas (the areas where Netflix "local recommendations" are all in Hindi!!) I've worked with an awful lot of people in general, so all of my numbers are large.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
All this talk of food - forget pizza, I would kill for a spicy Indian veg curry right now!
I want to say my girlfriend loves Indian food, but I can't say that for sure. I've actually never had it before.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
All this talk of food - forget pizza, I would kill for a spicy Indian veg curry right now!
That's very British of you
The UK often treats curry like the US treats pizza. It's actually difficult to get a quick, cheap, take-away curry here. You can get it nearly anywhere from a "fancy" restaurant, but cost effective take-away, very difficult. -
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
With the Indian workers, we still have a massive shortfall, but in terms of skill and not body count. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of competent and skilled Indian people in IT. But I have only met one or two.
I would guess that I have worked with over a thousand. Hard to guess when the numbers get large. I've lived right in the middle of the Indian cultural centers in both NJ and Dallas (the areas where Netflix "local recommendations" are all in Hindi!!) I've worked with an awful lot of people in general, so all of my numbers are large.
The problem with that particular subcontinent is cultural.
They are taught to not think, follow the directions or else. It's deeply engrained in their society, they have a caste system for f [moderated] sake. This results in most of the lower level goons not knowing jack s [moderated] beyond their tiny part of the picture. Improvisation is not their strong suit. We interviewed a few guys who were supposed to be our "peers" over the phone. One put in his resume he was an "Active Directory Architect". He couldn't even name ONE of the FSMO roles.
Then there is the blatenly false thought that they are somehow more educated and are equivalent to Western education. Sure, if they pay attention. But most just buy their way out of it. I can't seem to find it, but there was a article on the WSJ a while back about how the education system in India is hugely corrupted, in that 3/4 of all students pay professors for passing grades. A degree from Calcutta Technical Institute (CalTech) isn't worth even a degree in Underwater Basket Weaving from UC-Davis. What we see in the for-profit sector of our education system pales in comparison against their pay for play system.
Until companies figure out that these guys are not worth even considering, we will be stuck with them. I would take me an Eastern European resource before I consider anything in that subcontinent.
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@PSX_Defector said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksaj said:
With the Indian workers, we still have a massive shortfall, but in terms of skill and not body count. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of competent and skilled Indian people in IT. But I have only met one or two.
I would guess that I have worked with over a thousand. Hard to guess when the numbers get large. I've lived right in the middle of the Indian cultural centers in both NJ and Dallas (the areas where Netflix "local recommendations" are all in Hindi!!) I've worked with an awful lot of people in general, so all of my numbers are large.
The problem with that particular subcontinent is cultural.
They are taught to not think, follow the directions or else. It's deeply engrained in their society, they have a caste system for f [moderated] sake. This results in most of the lower level goons not knowing jack s [moderated] beyond their tiny part of the picture. Improvisation is not their strong suit. We interviewed a few guys who were supposed to be our "peers" over the phone. One put in his resume he was an "Active Directory Architect". He couldn't even name ONE of the FSMO roles.
Then there is the blatenly false thought that they are somehow more educated and are equivalent to Western education. Sure, if they pay attention. But most just buy their way out of it. I can't seem to find it, but there was a article on the WSJ a while back about how the education system in India is hugely corrupted, in that 3/4 of all students pay professors for passing grades. A degree from Calcutta Technical Institute (CalTech) isn't worth even a degree in Underwater Basket Weaving from UC-Davis. What we see in the for-profit sector of our education system pales in comparison against their pay for play system.
Until companies figure out that these guys are not worth even considering, we will be stuck with them. I would take me an Eastern European resource before I consider anything in that subcontinent.
FTW!
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I had a bacon cheeseburger pizza today. It was amazing. It even had pickles on it which sounds strange but it really works!
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@bbiAngie said:
I had a bacon cheeseburger pizza today. It was amazing. It even had pickles on it which sounds strange but it really works!
That sounds a lot like what Europeans think American pizza is like. In Italy, Pizza Americana has French fries on it!
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I still have to say my favorite type of pizza is buffalo wing pizza. Buffalo chicken and preferably bleu cheese, but ranch is acceptable I guess too. But YUM! If I don't want red sauce, I LOVE garlic pizza! @bbiAngie a bacon cheeseburger pizza sounds delish!
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Free pizza is good pizza. I'm not picky if it's free.
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Bacon cheeseburger pizza?
You Americans are all crazy!
