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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
And why is Mrs May going up to another chopping block vote for her job again?
Because she...
- Failed to deliver on what the UK voted that it wanted.
- Won't stop trying to destroy the country.
- Is attempting to undermine the democratic processes through media attention instead of admitting that what was voted for in the UK isn't plausible and that she can't possibly give people what they were told they would get in the vote.
- Isn't acting rationally or in the interest of her country.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
She's just doing as the people have asked her to do.
A "one way" "ratchet vote" is never part of anything the people "ask for", it's a mathematical trick to convince people that they wanted something that they didn't.
If they were doing "what the people wanted", they would be willing to vote again to see what the current people want under the current circumstances, instead of what a different set of citizens wanted under false pretenses.
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Although now the issue is that the UK isn't so welcome in the EU anymore. A lot of people in the EU are starting to wish that the UK would just go away. They've been behaving so badly, and their democracy is so poor, and they are acting so much more like the early stages of a dictatorship that they are seen as possibly being no longer desirable to have in such a close relationship as EU membership.
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@scottalanmiller TL:DR Mrs May is the Donald Trump of the UK.
Is all I needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But in the most laymen terms possible why should I care about this?
Because it is the most significant world political event of our times. You should care because it affects absolutely everything in the global economy and is a reflection of US political policies playing out in Europe.
This is the part that I don't see how it specifically affects me. I'm such a tiny member in the world as a whole, and I've never been, likely will never go to the UK, and as such don't think this would affect me.
Regardless of how it affects others.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But in the most laymen terms possible why should I care about this?
Because it is the most significant world political event of our times. You should care because it affects absolutely everything in the global economy and is a reflection of US political policies playing out in Europe.
This is the part that I don't see how it specifically affects me. I'm such a tiny member in the world as a whole, and I've never been, likely will never go to the UK, and as such don't think this would affect me.
Regardless of how it affects others.
Welcome to life in a global economy.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller TL:DR Mrs May is the Donald Trump of the UK.
Is all I needed.
That's kinda how it is, yeah.
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@notverypunny said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But in the most laymen terms possible why should I care about this?
Because it is the most significant world political event of our times. You should care because it affects absolutely everything in the global economy and is a reflection of US political policies playing out in Europe.
This is the part that I don't see how it specifically affects me. I'm such a tiny member in the world as a whole, and I've never been, likely will never go to the UK, and as such don't think this would affect me.
Regardless of how it affects others.
Welcome to life in a global economy.
How? I guess as a user of Amazon and things manufactured from China, owned by businesses that may be based in this country.
But that's such an aside that other people can deal with it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But in the most laymen terms possible why should I care about this?
Because it is the most significant world political event of our times. You should care because it affects absolutely everything in the global economy and is a reflection of US political policies playing out in Europe.
This is the part that I don't see how it specifically affects me. I'm such a tiny member in the world as a whole, and I've never been, likely will never go to the UK, and as such don't think this would affect me.
Regardless of how it affects others.
None of that really matters. What happens in the UK hits us here almost the same as them there. UK economy tanking will be terrible not just for the UK, and Italy, and Romania, but for Russian, the US, China, and Zimbabwe.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@notverypunny said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But in the most laymen terms possible why should I care about this?
Because it is the most significant world political event of our times. You should care because it affects absolutely everything in the global economy and is a reflection of US political policies playing out in Europe.
This is the part that I don't see how it specifically affects me. I'm such a tiny member in the world as a whole, and I've never been, likely will never go to the UK, and as such don't think this would affect me.
Regardless of how it affects others.
Welcome to life in a global economy.
How? I guess as a user of Amazon and things manufactured from China, owned by businesses that may be based in this country.
But that's such an aside that other people can deal with it.
The world is just one economy. The US economy will likely shift within the hour based on this one vote, alone.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But that's such an aside that other people can deal with it.
They are, that's what we are reporting on. Parliament is attempting to deal with it for you.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller TL:DR Mrs May is the Donald Trump of the UK.
Is all I needed.
That's kinda how it is, yeah.
Okay so she's just as bat-shit crazy as the Don, and wants Mexico (Italy) to pay for it?
(that's a pun)
But what did the people think they would get when they voted to leave the EU? If Mrs May is fired, doesn't the Brexit vote still proceed, but with someone else who is going to be stuck in this shit-sandwich situation?
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
But what did the people think they would get when they voted to leave the EU?
Yes. Now you ask "why, that's crazy?"
Because the government put on a massive marketing campaign to confuse people, stirred up a lot of racism (seen that happen recently anywhere?) and then went after the easily confused elderly and convinced them to sell out their own children because the people who primarily voted to "leave" were the same ones who wouldn't be around to deal with the fall out. Basically they got the elderly to vote to benefit from decades of EU membership, then at retirement take a short term pay off and sell out the country as a whole.
It's actually become a discussion case of why it is democratically wrong to allow the elderly to vote on things that don't affect them, but not allow youths to vote on things that will affect them their entire lives.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
If Mrs May is fired, doesn't the Brexit vote still proceed, but with someone else who is going to be stuck in this shit-sandwich situation?
Yes, but without May, there is a strong chance for a rational attempt to either stop the Brexit, fix the Brexit, or the most likely thing... call for another vote based on reality instead of lies and see what the actual desire of the people is.
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller TL:DR Mrs May is the Donald Trump of the UK.
Is all I needed.
That's kinda how it is, yeah.
Okay so she's just as bat-shit crazy as the Don, and wants Mexico (Italy) to pay for it?
(that's a pun)
But what did the people think they would get when they voted to leave the EU? If Mrs May is fired, doesn't the Brexit vote still proceed, but with someone else who is going to be stuck in this shit-sandwich situation?
Also, from my meager understanding of the issue, May was initially against Brexit but has inherited the problem.... so imagine that the next time around Don Don is booted out, replaced with someone like Mrs Obama and she now has to figure out how to make his Mexico wall happen.... I'd go batshit crazy in that situation too
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
If Mrs May is fired, doesn't the Brexit vote still proceed, but with someone else who is going to be stuck in this shit-sandwich situation?
Yes, but without May, there is a strong chance for a rational attempt to either stop the Brexit, fix the Brexit, or the most likely thing... call for another vote based on reality instead of lies and see what the actual desire of the people is.
Gotcha. So the issue is, she's trying to pass a shit-sandwich as Filet mignon.
And her co-chefs want her to sell it as the shit-sandwich it is or to get the hell out of the kitchen.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's actually become a discussion case of why it is democratically wrong to allow the elderly to vote on things that don't affect them, but not allow youths to vote on things that will affect them their entire lives.
I get the elderly part, people dying of old age. But how were younger people not allowed to vote on this matter? I assume the voting age is something in the range like with the US. 18, no?
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And as another question @scottalanmiller
How do the elderly get a payout by leaving the EU?
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@DustinB3403 said in Non-IT News Thread:
So
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's actually become a discussion case of why it is democratically wrong to allow the elderly to vote on things that don't affect them, but not allow youths to vote on things that will affect them their entire lives.
I get the elderly part, people dying of old age. But how were younger people not allowed to vote on this matter? I assume the voting age is something in the range like with the US. 18, no?
Yes, but the vote was years ago. So people who were, say 14, at the time of the original vote got zero vote in their own future. But now are becoming adults and must live with the results forever.
This kind of vote isn't about something to do "now", it's about changing the state of the country far in the future. So the people doing the initial vote were demographically quite a bit different than the people who are forced to action, let alone with with, the consequences of it.
