Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong
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@BRRABill said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So in a recent post @WrCombs is looking to setup a personal laptop to act as 1) His daily driver 2) a Hypervisor to setup test workloads for his job. Now @WrCombs don't take anything in this post to be an attack on you or your education to this point in time.
Maybe ML needs a cone of shame like Exploding Kittens has.
now that's funny
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
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Now you might come to 120GB as a "requirement" based on 64GB not being enough and there being nothing in between. But you should provide that logic when stating a requirement. Because the actual requirement might be 80GB and you might have overlooked an option.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
Well as i said before - I thought 32 would work until I got a bigger SSD - SOmething like 120 GB was what I was thinking until it was brought to my attention that I cant upgrade those.
120GB - would give me enough to install Fedora on, and Install KVM and cockpit for Virtual Machines.
Or enough to install Windows 10 Pro and install Oracle VirtualBox for VM's.and It would allow me to save files I need - and not have to worry about space until the future.
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
Well as i said before - I thought 32 would work until I got a bigger SSD - SOmething like 120 GB was what I was thinking until it was brought to my attention that I cant upgrade those.
120GB - would give me enough to install Fedora on, and Install KVM and cockpit for Virtual Machines.
Or enough to install Windows 10 Pro and install Oracle VirtualBox for VM's.and It would allow me to save files I need - and not have to worry about space until the future.
What about using an external drive? Your laptop can be small for when you need to work portably. Then just use an external drive (USB, SAN, whatever) for your VMs when you are at home and doing lab stuff?
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
I use 4 GB Ram at work on my Desktop and had 4 GB Ram in my old Laptop - So Ram isnt neccisarily the problem- its more needing more than 32 GB of Storage. Something 500 or Higher is Reasonable / preferred.
My brand new desktop is only 120GB. 32GB is ridiculous (and means it is an SD card, not something meant to be a hard drive, we think), but 500GB is a massive leap.
I figured the 500GB would get some eye rolls at the very least.
it's important to temper the decisions. Shooting too high (500GB when 120GB is fine) creates a situation where instead of making requirements, you end up making the requirements into jokes which in turn leads to giving up on requirements because they never really were and then saying "well okay, I guess 32GB is okay."
If your requirements aren't real, you won't treat them as real.
Okay, well 120 GB is required in my opinion.
Define "required". Yesterday you were okay with 32GB. What makes 32GB acceptable yesterday, but 120GB required today?
How did you arrive at 120GB being a requirement? Remember, by definition, requirements can't slip. Desires can, requirements cannot.
I'm not saying that 120GB is bad, and maybe you need it. But it seems that your approach to requirements is somewhat arbitrary.
Well as i said before - I thought 32 would work until I got a bigger SSD - SOmething like 120 GB was what I was thinking until it was brought to my attention that I cant upgrade those.
120GB - would give me enough to install Fedora on, and Install KVM and cockpit for Virtual Machines.
Or enough to install Windows 10 Pro and install Oracle VirtualBox for VM's.and It would allow me to save files I need - and not have to worry about space until the future.
What about using an external drive? Your laptop can be small for when you need to work portably. Then just use an external drive (USB, SAN, whatever) for your VMs when you are at home and doing lab stuff?
That's an Idea, I hadn't thought of that.
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@WrCombs don't forget you are getting equipment from your uncle.
So take all of this conversation on how you could do things to be in addition to what you are going to be doing with a localized hypervisor from your laptop.
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@Dashrender all of these laptops you have support virtualization, right?
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Also, consider the low cost of building a dedicated lab server and not using a laptop for lab work. Laptops make expensive lab boxes if you have no need for the lab to be portable.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
Also, consider the low cost of building a dedicated lab server and not using a laptop for lab work. Laptops make expensive lab boxes if you have no need for the lab to be portable.
Well he is getting free gear. So the cost, although real if he was purchasing doesn't apply in this exact scenario.
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@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
Also, consider the low cost of building a dedicated lab server and not using a laptop for lab work. Laptops make expensive lab boxes if you have no need for the lab to be portable.
Well he is getting free gear. So the cost, although real if he was purchasing doesn't apply in this exact scenario.
Does if the laptops aren't really set to be labs on their own.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
Also, consider the low cost of building a dedicated lab server and not using a laptop for lab work. Laptops make expensive lab boxes if you have no need for the lab to be portable.
Well he is getting free gear. So the cost, although real if he was purchasing doesn't apply in this exact scenario.
Does if the laptops aren't really set to be labs on their own.
You're adding cost by adjusting the plan.
He wants a laptop and to run VMS on it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
Also, consider the low cost of building a dedicated lab server and not using a laptop for lab work. Laptops make expensive lab boxes if you have no need for the lab to be portable.
Well he is getting free gear. So the cost, although real if he was purchasing doesn't apply in this exact scenario.
Does if the laptops aren't really set to be labs on their own.
You're adding cost by adjusting the plan.
He wants a laptop and to run VMS on it.
Not necessarily. Just as he could get a free laptop for basic laptop use, he might be able to get free or nearly free desktops for VM use. @scotth just got one.
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So @scottalanmiller you are making assumptions that he requires a lab and not a laptop. I'm making the assumption that he would prefer a laptop to a lab for the reasons or portability.
Assumptions all around but there is someone who can clarify the need vs want conversation, @WrCombs.
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@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So @scottalanmiller you are making assumptions that he requires a lab and not a laptop. I'm making the assumption that he would prefer a laptop to a lab for the reasons or portability.
Assumptions all around but there is someone who can clarify the need vs want conversation, @WrCombs.
I want a laptop to act as a Lab but I dont need a Lab
Does that make sense?
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So @scottalanmiller you are making assumptions that he requires a lab and not a laptop. I'm making the assumption that he would prefer a laptop to a lab for the reasons or portability.
Assumptions all around but there is someone who can clarify the need vs want conversation, @WrCombs.
I want a laptop to act as a Lab but I dont need a Lab
Does that make sense?
That just means you want a laptop. And the Hypervisor functional are all bonuses.
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So @scottalanmiller you are making assumptions that he requires a lab and not a laptop. I'm making the assumption that he would prefer a laptop to a lab for the reasons or portability.
Assumptions all around but there is someone who can clarify the need vs want conversation, @WrCombs.
I want a laptop to act as a Lab but I dont need a Lab
Does that make sense?
It's just part of the picture.
You "need" a laptop, and you "want" a lab. but it doesn't speak to if there is a reason to have the two combined.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So @scottalanmiller you are making assumptions that he requires a lab and not a laptop. I'm making the assumption that he would prefer a laptop to a lab for the reasons or portability.
Assumptions all around but there is someone who can clarify the need vs want conversation, @WrCombs.
I want a laptop to act as a Lab but I dont need a Lab
Does that make sense?
It's just part of the picture.
You "need" a laptop, and you "want" a lab. but it doesn't speak to if there is a reason to have the two combined.
I need a laptop. Correct
I want a Lab for testing ongoing issues in the field and try different software that we support and install to give me an edge on the people that work here.
does that help .
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@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So @scottalanmiller you are making assumptions that he requires a lab and not a laptop. I'm making the assumption that he would prefer a laptop to a lab for the reasons or portability.
Assumptions all around but there is someone who can clarify the need vs want conversation, @WrCombs.
I want a laptop to act as a Lab but I dont need a Lab
Does that make sense?
It's just part of the picture.
You "need" a laptop, and you "want" a lab. but it doesn't speak to if there is a reason to have the two combined.
I need a laptop. Correct
I want a Lab for testing ongoing issues in the field and try different software that we support and install to give me an edge on the people that work here.
does that help .
Why do you need an edge over your coworkers for this crappy software?
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@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@scottalanmiller said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@WrCombs said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
@DustinB3403 said in Buy Process Failures and Where things went wrong:
So @scottalanmiller you are making assumptions that he requires a lab and not a laptop. I'm making the assumption that he would prefer a laptop to a lab for the reasons or portability.
Assumptions all around but there is someone who can clarify the need vs want conversation, @WrCombs.
I want a laptop to act as a Lab but I dont need a Lab
Does that make sense?
It's just part of the picture.
You "need" a laptop, and you "want" a lab. but it doesn't speak to if there is a reason to have the two combined.
I need a laptop. Correct
I want a Lab for testing ongoing issues in the field and try different software that we support and install to give me an edge on the people that work here.
does that help .
Why do you need an edge over your coworkers for this crappy software?
because believe it or not, I enjoy what I do for work and want to learn it and be the best at it.
