I have to change cloud drive service yet again
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems?Yeah I don't get it either
Well - it would be awesome to get away from folders altogether, and only use tags.. so much more useful, though painful to add to every time you create a document.
Not really, no more painful than selecting a folder every time you create a document, which you already have to do. In fact, technically, folders ARE a tag, just a really crappy and limited one. But under the hood, it's a really crufty single tag system in most filesystems. Hard links could be thought of as an insanely cumbersome additional tag system.
Tags only improve things. All positives, no negatives.
I'll disagree in so much as a folder system is likely already created and a user is just using it. Sure the same could be said for many tags - but tags don't lend themselves to easy discovery like folders do. It's a human aspect, not a computer one...
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@wirestyle22 said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@jmoore said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Do we know why his users are constantly moving files?
I'm of the mind to just never move files.
Open file, edit file, close the file. No problems.
Just don't move the file. Who doesn't understand that this would cause many problems?Yeah I don't get it either
Well - it would be awesome to get away from folders altogether, and only use tags.. so much more useful, though painful to add to every time you create a document.
Not really, no more painful than selecting a folder every time you create a document, which you already have to do. In fact, technically, folders ARE a tag, just a really crappy and limited one. But under the hood, it's a really crufty single tag system in most filesystems. Hard links could be thought of as an insanely cumbersome additional tag system.
Tags only improve things. All positives, no negatives.
I'll disagree in so much as a folder system is likely already created and a user is just using it. Sure the same could be said for many tags - but tags don't lend themselves to easy discovery like folders do. It's a human aspect, not a computer one...
They do, and folders prove that as folders in most filesystems are just tags. If it is easy to do with a folder, it's just as easy to do with a tag. But better, as there are more options to make it even easier.
That people "already know how to do something" doesn't make it easier, nor does that mean that that system couldn't be used as a tagging mechanism.
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
The interim is the time of people whining that they have to type in tags because folders has been disallowed.
Question - Does windows allow the use of Tags? I know MS Office can - though I have no clue how those tags integrate into the Windows Search features.
But something like notepad - can you tag those txt files?
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I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
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@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Dashrender said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I definitely agree that the folders are a single tag like solution - but when you have a single folder with 10K files in it, it's mind numbing to look at - a way that many people function... I know they need to change, and over time most will, but the interim will be painful.
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
The interim is the time of people whining that they have to type in tags because folders has been disallowed.
Question - Does windows allow the use of Tags? I know MS Office can - though I have no clue how those tags integrate into the Windows Search features.
But something like notepad - can you tag those txt files?
Windows doesn't stop it. But it doesn't support it, either. Windows does provide full tagging in the form of Sharepoint. That's Microsoft's tagging storage feature.
If you explicitely use Windows' non-tagged storage mechanism, then there are no tags.
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@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
NC supports tags and works on Windows, yes. Microsoft Sharepoint does this as well (this is where NC copied it from.)
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@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Details tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
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@black3dynamite said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Detail tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
What? No way, when was that added? Freaking sweet.
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Of interest... TagSpaces
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/tag-youre-manage-files-linux-tagspaces/
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@black3dynamite said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Detail tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
What? No way, when was that added? Freaking sweet.
I have no idea.
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Using tags in Windows.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/tag-files-in-windows/ -
mindblown
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@black3dynamite said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Detail tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
What? No way, when was that added? Freaking sweet.
Windows 8.1 IIRC.
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check the link, its at least as old as windows 7
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@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
check the link, its at least as old as windows 7
Yep, that's right. Cool.
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sadly, it doesnt work for all file types.
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@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
We have roughly 100k files in our main projects folder, with ~900 subfolders. Are you saying to put all 100k files right into the root of the drive? We would need a folder/filing system just to keep track of the tags.
We have certain jobs where we get 7 iterations of drawings as the project progresses and all of those would have to be tagged somehow? We might have a folder named "2018-10-31 Die Review Changes" 7 folders deep into a specific job folder, a tag like that would be impossible to remember.
Edit: maybe fork a new convo talking about tags instead of folders?
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@black3dynamite said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@Donahue said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
I would like to know too. Is there a way to incorporate tags into a windows environment? Perhaps with something like NC?
You add tags on files. Right-click on the file and select properties. Select the Details tab. There you will see a Tags under Description.
Here is a PDF on my desktop, right click, properties, Details - I don't see a tag area.
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@bnrstnr said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
@scottalanmiller said in I have to change cloud drive service yet again:
Right, so don't use folders, use tags! THere is no interim "dumping ground" solution.
We have roughly 100k files in our main projects folder, with ~900 subfolders. Are you saying to put all 100k files right into the root of the drive? We would need a folder/filing system just to keep track of the tags.
We have certain jobs where we get 7 iterations of drawings as the project progresses and all of those would have to be tagged somehow? We might have a folder named "2018-10-31 Die Review Changes" 7 folders deep into a specific job folder, a tag like that would be impossible to remember.
Edit: maybe fork a new convo talking about tags instead of folders?
I'll wait for @scottalanmiller to split this reply into a new thread.
