UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today"

[JaredBusch]

In regards to the capability of Units talking to UNMS, nothing with the EdgeMax router line is beta. Has not been for months. The EdgeSwitch was beta until last week or so when the latest firmware went from beta to production.

UNMS itself is still carrying the "beta" tag, but it is in full public beta release now.

[JaredBusch]

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@bnrstnr said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@gjacobse Looks like he's asking if UNMS is production ready for the EdgeMax line of routers, not it's ability to manage Unifi products.

Yeah sorry, no meraki, no cross management. Just asking if bought today would you rather...

UNMS + Edge Routers

or

Unifi + Ubiquiti USG Routers

If the UNMS with Edge Routers isnt production ready I would rather send them in a direction I know will work. I will have no regrets later because I am not managing any of this...

UniFi routers suck horribly. They are just EdgeMax router hardware with different firmware anyway.

[JaredBusch]

This is what you see currently when you click on an ERL in UNMS.

[JaredBusch]

I can then click on Interfaces and then an interface and get this.

[JaredBusch]

Routing, you can add a static route.

or OSPF

[JaredBusch]

You cannot configure services, but you can turn some on and off.

[bigbear]

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

This is what you see currently when you click on an ERL in UNMS.

Thanks @JaredBusch, can they use DPI to see who is screwing the internet with Youtube, they way they could do with a local ERX via the IP address on the lan?

[hobbit666]

@JaredBusch Would you run a Unifi Controller on the same VM as a UMNS? Or have them Separate?

[JaredBusch]

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

This is what you see currently when you click on an ERL in UNMS.

Thanks @JaredBusch, can they use DPI to see who is screwing the internet with Youtube, they way they could do with a local ERX via the IP address on the lan?

No, the DPI info is not in UNMS yet.

[JaredBusch]

@hobbit666 said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@JaredBusch Would you run a Unifi Controller on the same VM as a UMNS? Or have them Separate?

UNMS runs in a docker container, unless you like pain.

[JaredBusch]

@bigbear The statistics are just high level at this time.

The latency & outage is a measure from the unit to the UNMS controller.

[JaredBusch]

You can click on almost any IP on any screen and it will pop it into a browser window. So if you have rules setup for that, you will be taken directly to the unit's login.

[bigbear]

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

You can click on almost any IP on any screen and it will pop it into a browser window. So if you have rules setup for that, you will be taken directly to the unit's login.

The only thing I can see suited to their described needs in the Unifi is the ability to use the web browser or mobile app to remotely look at what is going on with internet access when users start complaining about the speed slowing down.

I have a Unifi at home and I use the mobile app to block my kids at night, and can see they are on Youtube, etc.

I have always preferred the Edgemax, only bought the Unifi when I started reading here about the Unifi controller software.

[hobbit666]

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

UNMS runs in a docker container, unless you like pain.

OK ..... Time to re-read about Docker stuff lol

[JaredBusch]

@hobbit666 said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

UNMS runs in a docker container, unless you like pain.

OK ..... Time to re-read about Docker stuff lol

Nope, just install a clean Debian 9.1 (or whatever is now current) and then run the UNMS install script.

[JaredBusch]

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

You can click on almost any IP on any screen and it will pop it into a browser window. So if you have rules setup for that, you will be taken directly to the unit's login.

The only thing I can see suited to their described needs in the Unifi is the ability to use the web browser or mobile app to remotely look at what is going on with internet access when users start complaining about the speed slowing down.

Then the IT person can log in to UNMS and see what the overall speeds and such are. If there is a specific issue, they can log into the specific site. But this is a business and this below should not be an issue.

I have a Unifi at home and I use the mobile app to block my kids at night, and can see they are on Youtube, etc.

This is not a feature that should be used in a business. It is a business, not a fucking adult daycare.

[bigbear]

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

You can click on almost any IP on any screen and it will pop it into a browser window. So if you have rules setup for that, you will be taken directly to the unit's login.

The only thing I can see suited to their described needs in the Unifi is the ability to use the web browser or mobile app to remotely look at what is going on with internet access when users start complaining about the speed slowing down.

Then the IT person can log in to UNMS and see what the overall speeds and such are. If there is a specific issue, they can log into the specific site. But this is a business and this below should not be an issue.

I have a Unifi at home and I use the mobile app to block my kids at night, and can see they are on Youtube, etc.

This is not a feature that should be used in a business. It is a business, not a fucking adult daycare.

I dont think they intend to use as such other than to figure out where the bottlenecks are while they are occuring.

Personally, I dont think there are bottlenecks, I think its the Sonicwall stuff they currently have.

[JaredBusch]

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

You can click on almost any IP on any screen and it will pop it into a browser window. So if you have rules setup for that, you will be taken directly to the unit's login.

The only thing I can see suited to their described needs in the Unifi is the ability to use the web browser or mobile app to remotely look at what is going on with internet access when users start complaining about the speed slowing down.

Then the IT person can log in to UNMS and see what the overall speeds and such are. If there is a specific issue, they can log into the specific site. But this is a business and this below should not be an issue.

I have a Unifi at home and I use the mobile app to block my kids at night, and can see they are on Youtube, etc.

This is not a feature that should be used in a business. It is a business, not a fucking adult daycare.

I dont think they intend to use as such other than to figure out where the bottlenecks are while they are occuring.

Personally, I dont think there are bottlenecks, I think its the Sonicwall stuff they currently have.

Well, the UNMS will certainly show bandwidth totals by port.

I will be adding my first EdgeSwitch to my UNMS system this weekend. I assuming some per port statistics would also be available there.

[Dashrender]

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

UniFi routers suck horribly. They are just EdgeMax router hardware with different firmware anyway.

By suck he means they are a huge PITA to setup anything that's not currently in the GUI in the Unifi Controller software.

If your setup is dead simple.. USG could probably work. But if you want VPNs, etc, I'd skip the USG and go ER-whatever.

[brianlittlejohn]

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@bigbear said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

@jaredbusch said in UNMS vs Unifi for a deployment "today":

You can click on almost any IP on any screen and it will pop it into a browser window. So if you have rules setup for that, you will be taken directly to the unit's login.

The only thing I can see suited to their described needs in the Unifi is the ability to use the web browser or mobile app to remotely look at what is going on with internet access when users start complaining about the speed slowing down.

Then the IT person can log in to UNMS and see what the overall speeds and such are. If there is a specific issue, they can log into the specific site. But this is a business and this below should not be an issue.

I have a Unifi at home and I use the mobile app to block my kids at night, and can see they are on Youtube, etc.

This is not a feature that should be used in a business. It is a business, not a fucking adult daycare.

I dont think they intend to use as such other than to figure out where the bottlenecks are while they are occuring.

Personally, I dont think there are bottlenecks, I think its the Sonicwall stuff they currently have.

Well, the UNMS will certainly show bandwidth totals by port.

I will be adding my first EdgeSwitch to my UNMS system this weekend. I assuming some per port statistics would also be available there.

It does not yet, just CPU and latency right now. At least from what I have seen.