question about setting up a new domain controller
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I got a quote from CDW for O365 for Exchange only (just for S&G) and for 75 users, it came to $10,800/year. You guys weren't kidding...
Holy crap.. $12/m/u? WTF CDW?
Wow... it should be 3-5k tops for Exchange only... more so around $3.5k.
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@Minion-Queen ever get you a price for Exchange only O365, @dave247 ?
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@Minion-Queen ever get you a price for Exchange only O365, @dave247 ?
No, I haven't heard back yet.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@Minion-Queen ever get you a price for Exchange only O365, @dave247 ?
She's been in the hospital, she's not available for work for the last few days. (She's not the one sick.)
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I got a quote from CDW for O365 for Exchange only (just for S&G) and for 75 users, it came to $10,800/year. You guys weren't kidding...
Yeah, CDW is a shit show. I would not deal with them, even for normal stuff. You can never trust them, their prices are all over the map. Get a good deal one day, totally screwed the next. It's not that they don't deliver what you buy, but the cost of overseeing the use of them is too high that you can't actually save money with them and they don't have any technical value. So if they aren't the cheapest, they are crap.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@Minion-Queen ever get you a price for Exchange only O365, @dave247 ?
Yes, the price is $4. No ifs, ands, or buts. Period. End of story. That's the price. That is always the price from any partner or direct. Always, no exceptions. You never get a quote or a price from a partner, you never need to ask. It is what it is.
The question is solely is @NTG still allowed to handle pure email as a partner or are they now forced to send customers directly to Microsoft and bow out of the equation. That's it, nothing else. The price is the price.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@Minion-Queen ever get you a price for Exchange only O365, @dave247 ?
Yes, the price is $4. No ifs, ands, or buts. Period. End of story. That's the price. That is always the price from any partner or direct. Always, no exceptions. You never get a quote or a price from a partner, you never need to ask. It is what it is.
The question is solely is @NTG still allowed to handle pure email as a partner or are they now forced to send customers directly to Microsoft and bow out of the equation. That's it, nothing else. The price is the price.
Well, there you have it @dave247.
I know you can you add a partner later, after you buy O365 direct - I've done it on one account I help.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@Minion-Queen ever get you a price for Exchange only O365, @dave247 ?
Yes, the price is $4. No ifs, ands, or buts. Period. End of story. That's the price. That is always the price from any partner or direct. Always, no exceptions. You never get a quote or a price from a partner, you never need to ask. It is what it is.
The question is solely is @NTG still allowed to handle pure email as a partner or are they now forced to send customers directly to Microsoft and bow out of the equation. That's it, nothing else. The price is the price.
Well, there you have it @dave247.
I know you can you add a partner later, after you buy O365 direct - I've done it on one account I help.
Not like @NTG makes a penny. If it is holding you up in any way, just go ahead and get it from MS directly. If MS has either accidentally broken the partner system for email only, or has intentionally removed it... then direct is the only option.
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OK, Scott and I just hashed it out - MS Partners who lead customers to O365 used to get some small payment for the first year contract that a customer made. That program has been shutdown, now Partners don't get a dime from MS. Partners only make money on services they sell you directly.
As Scott said - If you want to move forward now - just sign up directly, you can add NTG (or any partner) later to the account. But you can get started today, now, on a trial.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
OK, Scott and I just hashed it out - MS Partners who lead customers to O365 used to get some small payment for the first year contract that a customer made. That program has been shutdown, now Partners don't get a time from MS. Partners only make money on services they sell you directly.
As Scott said - If you want to move forward now - just sign up directly, you can add NTG (or any partner) later to the account. But you can get started today, now, on a trial.
Or a dime, either.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
OK, Scott and I just hashed it out - MS Partners who lead customers to O365 used to get some small payment for the first year contract that a customer made. That program has been shutdown, now Partners don't get a time from MS. Partners only make money on services they sell you directly.
As Scott said - If you want to move forward now - just sign up directly, you can add NTG (or any partner) later to the account. But you can get started today, now, on a trial.
Or a dime, either.
Fixed.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I got a quote from CDW for O365 for Exchange only (just for S&G) and for 75 users, it came to $10,800/year. You guys weren't kidding...
Yeah, CDW is a shit show. I would not deal with them, even for normal stuff. You can never trust them, their prices are all over the map. Get a good deal one day, totally screwed the next. It's not that they don't deliver what you buy, but the cost of overseeing the use of them is too high that you can't actually save money with them and they don't have any technical value. So if they aren't the cheapest, they are crap.
I am not saying that CDW is all that great but I have found they do offer me decent help when I need it. I know about their pricing issues and that is why I use Amazon, Ebay and Xbyte for some items.
At a recent CDW Security Event, I was surprised to hear them say their pricing will not be the cheapest but they hope the extra customer service and pre-sales tech support offer and advantage over competitors.
What CDW needs to do is figure out free shipping. I would probably order from them a lot more if they had free shipping because they have a warehouse pretty close and its like I get "free" next day shipping at regular shipping cost.
When I do find a product much cheaper elsewhere with free shipping, I don't even bother with CDW.
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@pmoncho said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I got a quote from CDW for O365 for Exchange only (just for S&G) and for 75 users, it came to $10,800/year. You guys weren't kidding...
Yeah, CDW is a shit show. I would not deal with them, even for normal stuff. You can never trust them, their prices are all over the map. Get a good deal one day, totally screwed the next. It's not that they don't deliver what you buy, but the cost of overseeing the use of them is too high that you can't actually save money with them and they don't have any technical value. So if they aren't the cheapest, they are crap.
I am not saying that CDW is all that great but I have found they do offer me decent help when I need it. I know about their pricing issues and that is why I use Amazon, Ebay and Xbyte for some items.
At a recent CDW Security Event, I was surprised to hear them say their pricing will not be the cheapest but they hope the extra customer service and pre-sales tech support offer and advantage over competitors.
What CDW needs to do is figure out free shipping. I would probably order from them a lot more if they had free shipping because they have a warehouse pretty close and its like I get "free" next day shipping at regular shipping cost.
When I do find a product much cheaper elsewhere with free shipping, I don't even bother with CDW.
But isn't their "assistance" a huge negative? Their claim to fame is using their "technical resources" as sales people to screw customers. There isn't much I'd think that you could get from them that wasn't a negative. What "value add" are you seeing from them?
To make CDW even remotely usable, I have to avoid their "customer service" and "pre-sales tech support" because they are sales people, not techs. CDW has no techs, only sales. So you can't use those services.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@pmoncho said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I got a quote from CDW for O365 for Exchange only (just for S&G) and for 75 users, it came to $10,800/year. You guys weren't kidding...
Yeah, CDW is a shit show. I would not deal with them, even for normal stuff. You can never trust them, their prices are all over the map. Get a good deal one day, totally screwed the next. It's not that they don't deliver what you buy, but the cost of overseeing the use of them is too high that you can't actually save money with them and they don't have any technical value. So if they aren't the cheapest, they are crap.
I am not saying that CDW is all that great but I have found they do offer me decent help when I need it. I know about their pricing issues and that is why I use Amazon, Ebay and Xbyte for some items.
At a recent CDW Security Event, I was surprised to hear them say their pricing will not be the cheapest but they hope the extra customer service and pre-sales tech support offer and advantage over competitors.
What CDW needs to do is figure out free shipping. I would probably order from them a lot more if they had free shipping because they have a warehouse pretty close and its like I get "free" next day shipping at regular shipping cost.
When I do find a product much cheaper elsewhere with free shipping, I don't even bother with CDW.
But isn't their "assistance" a huge negative? Their claim to fame is using their "technical resources" as sales people to screw customers. There isn't much I'd think that you could get from them that wasn't a negative. What "value add" are you seeing from them?
I mostly use Mangolassi and SW for help now but there have been times when working through MS licensing, and a few different pre-sale FW questions, CDW has been very helpful. Oh also, finding me a printer from different manufacturers to meet my requirements. Their pre-sales tech's have saved me a bunch of time in a couple different situations.
That is where I find the value with them. It is not often but it is there.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
CDW has no techs, only sales. So you can't use those services.
Maybe I got lucky a few times in speaking with the right person.
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@pmoncho said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
CDW has no techs, only sales. So you can't use those services.
Maybe I got lucky a few times in speaking with the right person.
The biggest question is... how do you know that you got lucky? If a sales person is really effective, they make you feel like you got good advice, even when getting sold to.
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@pmoncho said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I mostly use Mangolassi and SW for help now but there have been times when working through MS licensing, and a few different pre-sale FW questions, CDW has been very helpful. Oh also, finding me a printer from different manufacturers to meet my requirements. Their pre-sales tech's have saved me a bunch of time in a couple different situations.
That is where I find the value with them. It is not often but it is there.
Some things are easier than others. I've had people complain of CDW using their licensing advice to push unneeded licenses, though.
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I used to order from CDW when they were the cheapest and they were giving us free shipping. I heard my my predecessor that they are now requiring at least $200 orders.
I never talked to my rep, I would just email to get the shipping taken off a quote.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I got a quote from CDW for O365 for Exchange only (just for S&G) and for 75 users, it came to $10,800/year. You guys weren't kidding...
Yeah, CDW is a shit show. I would not deal with them, even for normal stuff. You can never trust them, their prices are all over the map. Get a good deal one day, totally screwed the next. It's not that they don't deliver what you buy, but the cost of overseeing the use of them is too high that you can't actually save money with them and they don't have any technical value. So if they aren't the cheapest, they are crap.
They don't pull anything with Windows server licensing do they? I ask because I've been getting some quotes from them for various upgrades and things for 2018. Things like Windows 10 Pro and Server 2016 licensing and terminal server CAL's, among other things..
I also have a VAR that we used to get licensing through but he's just... terrible.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I got a quote from CDW for O365 for Exchange only (just for S&G) and for 75 users, it came to $10,800/year. You guys weren't kidding...
Yeah, CDW is a shit show. I would not deal with them, even for normal stuff. You can never trust them, their prices are all over the map. Get a good deal one day, totally screwed the next. It's not that they don't deliver what you buy, but the cost of overseeing the use of them is too high that you can't actually save money with them and they don't have any technical value. So if they aren't the cheapest, they are crap.
They don't pull anything with Windows server licensing do they?
They might. It's a very common place for sales people to tack on extra cost because people don't know what they need so there is huge money to be made in selling more than is necessary.
