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    • ObsolesceO
      Obsolesce @black3dynamite
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      @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @tim_g

      How long did it take you to setup SCDPM? That's a lot of work to install a backup system.

      Not long.

      It's just installing:

      • Set up server hardware and DAS
      • Install Windows Server 2016 Standard CORE + Hyper-V Role
        ** You need features Hyper-V Server does not offer for this, so rare use-case exception here **
      • Set up MS SQL (VM1) (SCDPM includes license for this)
      • Set up SCDPM (VM2)

      Pre-planning it all makes it go fast.... above was just quick from distant memory, but it's the basics at a high level.

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      • thwrT
        thwr @black3dynamite
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        @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @tim_g

        How long did it take you to setup SCDPM? That's a lot of work to install a backup system.

        you begin by installing a full blown SQL Server as a backend database. + (At least in in 2012R2) you need to take care of a backup of DPM itself for disaster recovery. As far as I remember, you'll need a working domain to restore data. But it's years ago, things my have changed.

        It's a good product, don't get me wrong. But it's major league.

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @thwr
          last edited by

          @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @tim_g

          How long did it take you to setup SCDPM? That's a lot of work to install a backup system.

          you begin by installing a full blown SQL Server as a backend database. + (At least in in 2012R2) you need to take care of a backup of DPM itself for disaster recovery. As far as I remember, you'll need a working domain to restore data. But it's years ago, things my have changed.

          It's a good product, don't get me wrong. But it's major league.

          Yeah it's better now. Really, you'd use your existing MS SQL server, and replicate it to your SCDPM server host. This way, you always have a restorable replica so you can always restore.... as well as replicate your SCDPM VM (not the storage repository)

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce
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            Then you could replicate your DAS to another location/building/site, as well as archive it to tape periodically.

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            • thwrT
              thwr
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              Looks like they improved a few things. But I'll go for Veeam this time, even with ultra-cheap MS EDU licensing.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @thwr
                last edited by Obsolesce

                @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                Looks like they improved a few things. But I'll go for Veeam this time, even with ultra-cheap MS EDU licensing.

                In one case, Veeam cost twice as much as SCDPM. So it's a toss up. Unitrends came in at the lowest.

                Veeam can be super expensive. But people do it often without weighing other options first.

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                • ObsolesceO
                  Obsolesce @thwr
                  last edited by Obsolesce

                  @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  Looks like they improved a few things.

                  A lot actually, like 10-fold. I posted some stuff on this like a year ago, but it's even better than that now.

                  Backups of SQL servers every 15 minutes happen like instantly... hourly backups happen instantly. Daily backups of huge file servers happen very quick. Archive stuff is great. Splitting where backups go, etc... some parts back up to SSD, some to internal storage, some to DAS... it's great.

                  The change tracking on Hyper-V 2016 is awesome now, and SCDPM takes full advantage of it... so you don't have to rely on a 3rd party backup software using their own buggy drivers to do it.

                  Tape tracking/management is super easy.

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                  • thwrT
                    thwr @Obsolesce
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                    @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    Looks like they improved a few things. But I'll go for Veeam this time, even with ultra-cheap MS EDU licensing.

                    In one case, Veeam cost twice as much as SCDPM. So it's a toss up. Unitrends came in at the lowest.

                    Veeam can be super expensive. But people do it often without weighing other options first.

                    That surely depends on your environment. I agree, costs can explode quickly once you leave the "get 3 hosts backed up for cheap"-field. On the other hand - if you are this large, you probably have other things to worry about than 1,5k USD/socket for backup.

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @thwr
                      last edited by Obsolesce

                      @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      That surely depends on your environment.

                      Yeah this is the number one factor here... i'm not telling anyone to use SCDPM... I'm just saying it's my favorite to use with Hyper-V... disregarding costs and such.

                      I'll probably never use SCDPM again... but it was awesome.

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                      • thwrT
                        thwr @Obsolesce
                        last edited by thwr

                        @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        Tape tracking/management is super easy.

                        That's something I never understood in 2012r2 - tape guessing was actually a game we played at my last gig.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @thwr
                          last edited by Obsolesce

                          @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          Looks like they improved a few things.
                          Tape tracking/management is super easy.

                          That's something I never understood in 2012r2 - tape guessing was actually a game we played at my last gig.

                          Yeah having to deal with that manually just straight up sucks.

                          In 2016, you label it all, it tracks what is where, which you to put in, when, etc... super easy and thoughtless once it's set up and labeled.

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                          • thwrT
                            thwr @Obsolesce
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                            @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            Looks like they improved a few things.
                            Tape tracking/management is super easy.

                            That's something I never understood in 2012r2 - tape guessing was actually a game we played at my last gig.

                            Yeah having to deal with that manually just straight up sucks.

                            In 2016, you label it all, it tracks what is where, which you to put in, when, etc... super easy and thoughtless once it's set up and labeled.

                            That sounds like... they wrote a whole new software

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce @thwr
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                              @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              Looks like they improved a few things.
                              Tape tracking/management is super easy.

                              That's something I never understood in 2012r2 - tape guessing was actually a game we played at my last gig.

                              Yeah having to deal with that manually just straight up sucks.

                              In 2016, you label it all, it tracks what is where, which you to put in, when, etc... super easy and thoughtless once it's set up and labeled.

                              That sounds like... they wrote a whole new software

                              More like still writing... they still aren't finished with it. It was just recently they started supporting VMWare in it. 2012 R2 had it, but it took this damn long to have it in 2016.

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                              • thwrT
                                thwr @Obsolesce
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                                @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                Looks like they improved a few things.
                                Tape tracking/management is super easy.

                                That's something I never understood in 2012r2 - tape guessing was actually a game we played at my last gig.

                                Yeah having to deal with that manually just straight up sucks.

                                In 2016, you label it all, it tracks what is where, which you to put in, when, etc... super easy and thoughtless once it's set up and labeled.

                                That sounds like... they wrote a whole new software

                                More like still writing... they still aren't finished with it. It was just recently they started supporting VMWare in it. 2012 R2 had it, but it took this damn long to have it in 2016.

                                I need to take a look No. Too late. But good to know that MS changed a lot of things, thank you.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  Math class with my little one 🙂

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                                  • LilAngL
                                    LilAng
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                                    Just returned from lunch, back to work 🙂

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                                    • RojoLocoR
                                      RojoLoco
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                                      Just ordered some tasty vinyl selections from Turntable Lab...

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                                      • LilAngL
                                        LilAng @RojoLoco
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                                        @rojoloco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        Just ordered some tasty vinyl selections from Turntable Lab...

                                        0_1515621987161_TTL order.png

                                        That Willie Nelson Vinyl though.

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                                        • hobbit666H
                                          hobbit666
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                                          Trying to Size a UPS.

                                          Requirement is to power a PC, LCD 22" Monitor, 16port 10/100/1000 switch for 20-30mins

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                                          • LilAngL
                                            LilAng
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                                            wondering if I should go to the gym tonight. I know I should, but I have Zero motivation.

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