Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
I don't know man... you could have just given me some specific examples or sources that show how the latest releases of XS are terrible. Although, to be fair, I didn't even realize how it was different that Xen. I'm sure that's common...
But at what point? You led off saying that you didn't doubt that it was dead, and were only questioning why Citrix would put up a site. So I was giving specific information about why dead projects often have live sites to make a quick buck.
I don't think that there was ever an appropriate time to just volunteer a bunch of background on Citrix. The discussion never went ot that place.
If you look back at the thread and look at where information was injected, I think you'd see that there isn't a place where that would have made sense. Because injecting it too early would have been inapproriate, and by the time you were asking "why" you were presenting the reasons that you felt it wasn't dead so the discussion was arond those points, not XS' deadness. If that makes sense.
If you do see a place where it would have made sense and I've missed it, show me where and I'll try to adjust. I'm just not sure at what point that would havae been in this case.
And it isn't that the releases make the product terrible - it's that the releases are terrible in the sense that they do essentially nothing. Just empty releases that deliver nothing of value (or effort) to customers.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
I can't question every single assumption and meticulously double check every single thing I look at as that would be endless rabbit holes. Plain and simple: I assumed XenServer was still a thing because I've seen it talked about in numerous threads, there has been a recent release and their website makes no mention that they are no longer supporting their project.
Double checking each thing is not what is needed. But it is looking at assumptions and figuring out if they are real or just assumptions. Or what they are based on. For example...
Did you talk to people who were up to date on XS? Were the threads in the last six months? Last year? This stuff has been changing fast. XS has tanked in the last year, KVM has taken off. Currency is a big deal here. Even if you talked to well informed, well meaning people, if they were not completely current and actively looking into XS actively, they might have no idea where the market is going.
In some cases, a project can die in a day. TrueCrypt did. One day, from fully active to totally gone. XS is nothing like that, it's a slow slide. But currency is a big deal.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
It's not like I just blindly downloaded XS and installed it without doing anything else. I've tried to get information. I've read the information on their website. I don't have endless amounts of time to dump into a full blown investigation to determine if their platform is actually dead or not.
I don't have any more hair to rip out.
Of course not, that's why no IT department should be less than ... well a lot of people. No one has the time to investigate this stuff. IT should always be a team. And IT should not investigate all options, there isn't time for that. Quickly determining projects that aren't currently viable (too early, too late, bad idea, bad vendor, etc.) is an important piece of that. Rule things out and move on. ESXi is easy to rule out of rthe average SMB due to cost and licensing overhead, as an example. Rule out, move on.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
Sadly, for Xen, XS was its only really nice full features distro and XS was not cared for by its steward. Suse continues to support "pure" Xen but it is a lot more complex than using a distro like XS. For shops with that special Xen need, it's out there. But it's mostly for large enterprises that are going to build an in house Xen team and provide their own support.
ok. Well thanks for the info. I really want Hyper-V to work but if I can't get it working, I will try KVM.
Both are good. Hyper-V is generally better for most SMBs. But honestly, I prefer KVM a lot.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
It's not like I just blindly downloaded XS and installed it without doing anything else. I've tried to get information. I've read the information on their website. I don't have endless amounts of time to dump into a full blown investigation to determine if their platform is actually dead or not.
I don't have any more hair to rip out.
Of course not, that's why no IT department should be less than ... well a lot of people. No one has the time to investigate this stuff. IT should always be a team. And IT should not investigate all options, there isn't time for that. Quickly determining projects that aren't currently viable (too early, too late, bad idea, bad vendor, etc.) is an important piece of that. Rule things out and move on. ESXi is easy to rule out of rthe average SMB due to cost and licensing overhead, as an example. Rule out, move on.
lmao. And we have vSphere 6.5 in my SMB environment...
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So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Would this somehow be different than a case where someone installs Windows Server 2016 and then adds the Hyper-V role?
And I know it would probably eat up some CPU power, but I really only want to run a few tiny VM's..
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
And I know it would probably eat up some CPU power, but I really only want to run a few tiny VM's..
It's the licensening change that is the real issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want to rope you into having to pay them money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
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@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
I don't know but I swear to God that I saw in three different attempts of installing hyper-v 2016 that there was the second option of having a desktop experience installed.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want to rope you into having to pay them money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
With Windows Server, you have a lot more roles to choose from, which me you will have to have license. Hyper-V Server does not need a license in order to use it since the main use is to hist VMs.
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@black3dynamite said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want to rope you into having to pay them money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
With Windows Server, you have a lot more roles to choose from, which me you will have to have license. Hyper-V Server does not need a license in order to use it since the main use is to hist VMs.
I am confident he is not using the full server instance based on all his detailed replies.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
I don't know but I swear to God that I saw in three different attempts of installing hyper-v 2016 that there was the second option of having a desktop experience installed.
I'm downloading it now. I have a crappy old desktop that may support it here that i can attempt the initial install on.
Also, this thread is what I did on a defualt AD domain.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016.
about halfway down I posted the firewall rules I enabled and such.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
I don't know but I swear to God that I saw in three different attempts of installing hyper-v 2016 that there was the second option of having a desktop experience installed.
Option 1: Windows Server w/ Desktop Experience and then install Hyper-V role.
Option 2: Windows Server w/ Core and Hyper-V role.
Option 3: Hyper-V Server (The best option)
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@black3dynamite said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
I don't know but I swear to God that I saw in three different attempts of installing hyper-v 2016 that there was the second option of having a desktop experience installed.
Option 1: Windows Server w/ Desktop Experience and then install Hyper-V role.
Option 2: Windows Server w/ Core and Hyper-V role.
Option 3: Hyper-V Server (The best option)
You are not understanding here. We all know all of that... That is not what he is stating.
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@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
I don't know but I swear to God that I saw in three different attempts of installing hyper-v 2016 that there was the second option of having a desktop experience installed.
I'm downloading it now. I have a crappy old desktop that may support it here that i can attempt the initial install on.
Also, this thread is what I did on a defualt AD domain.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016.
about halfway down I posted the firewall rules I enabled and such.
I'm downloading it now too. I do notice the file name is a bit different than the ISO I had downloaded before, about 3 months ago.
- Old file: 14393.0.161119-1705.RS1_REFRESH_SERVER_EVAL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
- New file: 14393.0.161119-1705.RS1_REFRESH_SERVERHYPERCORE_OEM_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
Maybe, just maybe, I am a total fucking idiot and somehow mixed my ISOs up...
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This is a different ISO than the one I used in January.
14393.0.161119-1705.RS1_REFRESH_SERVERHYPERCORE_OEM_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
I don't know but I swear to God that I saw in three different attempts of installing hyper-v 2016 that there was the second option of having a desktop experience installed.
I'm downloading it now. I have a crappy old desktop that may support it here that i can attempt the initial install on.
Also, this thread is what I did on a defualt AD domain.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016.
about halfway down I posted the firewall rules I enabled and such.
I'm downloading it now too. I do notice the file name is a bit different than the ISO I had downloaded before, about 3 months ago.
- Old file: 14393.0.161119-1705.RS1_REFRESH_SERVER_EVAL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
- New file: 14393.0.161119-1705.RS1_REFRESH_SERVERHYPERCORE_OEM_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
Maybe, just maybe, I am a total fucking idiot and somehow mixed my ISOs up...
You are a total idiot based on THAT post.
The first is Server. The second is Hyper-V Server
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@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@jaredbusch said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
So... if I just install Hyper-V Server 2016 WITH the Desktop Experience, I would be able to manage VM's by directly remoting into the server, right? Then I wouldn't have to mess with the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10..
Well... that's not a product option. To do that you have to buy and install a full Windows Server license, and then that license is tied to Hyper-V. If you od that, then you can admin it locally. But if you are even thinking about that, it's time to be on KVM.
See this is why I am so confused.
- I can go to Microsoft and download Windows Server 2016, which when you install it, has options to install as core or GUI. Either way, I have to pay for a license because it's not free, core or GUI, RIGHT?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016
- I can go to Microsoft and download the "evaluation" of Hyper-V Server 2016, which when I install, has the option to install standard evaluation, or desktop experience evaluation. I can just use the standard no GUI and it's 100% free, RIGHT?? So then what does it matter if I choose to install the free hypervisor with the desktop experience?? - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
If both things are separate things, but installing the Desktop Experience means they are the same thing and I have to pay for a license to use Hyper-V, then I don't understand why they are selling them together... or wait is it because they want money??
Now I am not trying to make assumptions here or not thinking in a sensible GD way. I am just trying to navigate my way through options for installing Hyper-V, having it be free, and having it actually ****ing work.
Wait, when the fuck did they add a GUI to Hyper-V. I do not recall seeing that when I setup my last Hyper-V Server 2016 instance 8 months ago.
I don't know but I swear to God that I saw in three different attempts of installing hyper-v 2016 that there was the second option of having a desktop experience installed.
I'm downloading it now. I have a crappy old desktop that may support it here that i can attempt the initial install on.
Also, this thread is what I did on a defualt AD domain.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016.
about halfway down I posted the firewall rules I enabled and such.
I'm downloading it now too. I do notice the file name is a bit different than the ISO I had downloaded before, about 3 months ago.
- Old file: 14393.0.161119-1705.RS1_REFRESH_SERVER_EVAL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
- New file: 14393.0.161119-1705.RS1_REFRESH_SERVERHYPERCORE_OEM_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
Maybe, just maybe, I am a total fucking idiot and somehow mixed my ISOs up...
You are a total idiot based on THAT post.
The first is Server. The second is Hyper-V Server
pfffffhahahahahahahahah... WHAT THE FUCK.
