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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
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@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
I would certainly argue such a blanket statement like that. Until very recently almost every TV that you buy retail has had a tuner. In the last 2-3 years it has become common to have TV's without a tuner, but before that it was extremely rare.
Not at all, when they went to LCDs, the big screens were always without tuners. I've been buying "displays" for a long time, and have never gotten one with a tuner, and it wasn't because of any effort. It's just not something that was common in large flat panels. Available, yes, but not the norm. Pre-HD, yes, old SD TVs were required to come with tuners. HDs were not, and mostly did not as it was an expensive part and had compatibility problems. That's why external tuners were such a big products in the 2000s.
Totally not actuate. External tuners were big in the 2000's because of the switch to digital OTA and people had to buy tuners because their existing TVs did not have a built in tuner that worked with digital OTA.
Yes, you have always been able to buy displays (ie no tuner), but no it is not the most common device in the store, it was rare until recently and even now it is still not the majority.
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@jaredbusch said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@jaredbusch said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
I would certainly argue such a blanket statement like that. Until very recently almost every TV that you buy retail has had a tuner. In the last 2-3 years it has become common to have TV's without a tuner, but before that it was extremely rare.
Not at all, when they went to LCDs, the big screens were always without tuners. I've been buying "displays" for a long time, and have never gotten one with a tuner, and it wasn't because of any effort. It's just not something that was common in large flat panels. Available, yes, but not the norm. Pre-HD, yes, old SD TVs were required to come with tuners. HDs were not, and mostly did not as it was an expensive part and had compatibility problems. That's why external tuners were such a big products in the 2000s.
Totally not actuate. External tuners were big in the 2000's because of the switch to digital OTA and people had to buy tuners because their existing TVs did not have a built in tuner that worked with digital OTA.
Yes, you have always been able to buy displays (ie no tuner), but no it is not the most common device in the store, it was rare until recently and even now it is still not the majority.
That's also true, but people with existing pre-HD TVs weren't buying new. New HDs in that time frame rarely had tuners, especially as they were out before the tuner standards existed.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
The weekly schedule keep some shows semi synced for us.. i.e. NCIS is on Tuesdays. If we are both home, we watch it 30 mins after it starts so we can skip the commercials. If either of us is gone, the one that's home will wait until both people are available. Rarely do we need to wait more than 2 days.
So keep that schedule, easy peasy.
lol - HAHAHA yeah... you know binging doesn't work like that.
Right, so don't binge. Again, all I'm hearing is you saying "I'm paying someone to make my options bad so that I can't do things the way that I want to."
Things I don't understand are...
- Why does arbitrarily paying someone to make your options suck make things better?
- Why does paying for cable make you not treat your DVR like Netflix?
- Why do you want the end result if you clearly don't like the end result?
None of it makes sense to me. You are willing to pay to make things worse so that you have to do things in a way you'd never do if you hadn't figured out how to be stuck in that mode, except you aren't stuck, so it makes even less sense.
I continue to hear what you are saying - and please understand this before anything else - I am likely killing cable very soon.
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not. I will be frustrated for a whole new reason upon moving to the now 9 month delay access to a show. I'm so irked by this delay that I haven't even bothered to watch Game of Thrones because I'll hate waiting months and months before the new season.
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
At this point, I'll wait until Game of Thrones is in it's declared last season, then binge watch it for a few weeks and be done with it.
This is a ME issue, I know this. I can "fix" it by following your guide, watching one episode a week - but again, when the whole thing is sitting there in front of me, that's not me either.
Yep, this entire conversation is a pretty stupid, opinion based, nothing matters conversation.
As for the water cooler, yeah that portion has been dead for me for a long while.. so it's off the consideration plate.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
I'm so irked by this delay that I haven't even bothered to watch Game of Thrones because I'll hate waiting months and months before the new season.
I totally get this, I mentioned this to Dominica an hour ago. I won't normally start a show until I know that it is completed and available. Stranger Things is an exception because I trust Netflix to make it to completion. I want to know that an entire show is written, filmed, and available before I typically start it. I don't want it to end halfway if I like it and be frustrated. And I am not willing to wait a long time to finish it.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@nerdydad said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
My wife and I were just discussing this thread and she mentioned how we lived for our first four years of marriage with no TV at all, not just no cable, but no Netflix or anything either. I had forgotten, we used to watch DVDs on a little Mac Mini, that was all that we had. We'd watch video games that each other played, but had no TV.
No OTA TV?
I've not had access to that since 1994. You need a TV, a tuner, and an antenna to do that. I've owned a TV most of the time since 1994, but only most, far from all. I've never owned either of the other two, ever. I've never owned a VCR (my parents did, but not me) ever. From 1994 - 2008 I owned Laserdisc players and DVD players, nothing else. In 2008, right at the end of the year, we bought a BluRay player and earlier in 2008 we got Netflix.
The tuner was built into the TV. You just had to plug in an antenna into the TV and search for channels.
In the 1990s that was the case. Has not been for a very long time. I've owned a total of one TV in my life that had a tuner, and I only had possession of it for about one year, and it was a CRT. I owned that around 1998.
Ohhh...that sucked.
Not at all, I detest traditional television. I could have bought a TV, I had a $17K audio system, and a nice townhouse. I could have bought an antenna. I could have afforded cable. But I actively don't want that in my life. And any time I've been exposed to "just watch whatever is on" since that time, I've confirmed that I made the right choice.
My wife comes from a "the TV is always on, you always have premium cable and you always watch stuff" family, and she feels the same way. We really dislike the idea of watching "whatever is on."
So you don't own a TV today? Assuming you have a large screen to display on, you have either a Vizio or a projector (only mainstream options I'm aware of that don't have built in tuners - though, you had a $17K audio system, so it's definitely possible you have some other brand monitor that doesn't have a built in tuner.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
Sure, but you get that even worse the way that you do things now. that's what I don't understand. Netflix only makes this better in every way, there is no worse.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
So you don't own a TV today? Assuming you have a large screen to display on, you have either a Vizio or a projector (only mainstream options I'm aware of that don't have built in tuners - though, you had a $17K audio system, so it's definitely possible you have some other brand monitor that doesn't have a built in tuner.
No idea, my current TVs are new (few months) and cheap (Walmart special). I grabbed them as we owned nothing but projectors (the hang from the ceiling kind) and never looked. I'd guess that these do have tuners as they are new and small and cheap, the things that tend to have tuners these days. But I don't have an antenna to hook to, or cable.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
hold the phone, it's not me - remember, this whole situation stems from my wife's desire to have me in visual eye line for 95% of the time we are in the house together and awake.
If she wouldn't have a fit about that, this would be a complete non issue - I'd have a second TV in another part of the house and we'd see each other for about 1 hour a day (for dinner), except when we leave the house together to do things.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
Sure, but you get that even worse the way that you do things now. that's what I don't understand. Netflix only makes this better in every way, there is no worse.
eh? how is it better - other than forcing myself to only watch one episode a week? So assuming I binge it, it's still 12 more months until Netflix gets the next season, so ...
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
hold the phone, it's not me - remember, this whole situation stems from my wife's desire to have me in visual eye line for 95% of the time we are in the house together and awake.
If she wouldn't have a fit about that, this would be a complete non issue - I'd have a second TV in another part of the house and we'd see each other for about 1 hour a day (for dinner), except when we leave the house together to do things.
No, none of that matters. If you were willing to keep watching shows the way that you do now, nothing would change except the cost savings. Your wife is a red herring here. All that matters is why paying a lot for crippled shows makes you willing to do something that saving money for uncrippled you'd be unwilling to keep doing.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
hold the phone, it's not me - remember, this whole situation stems from my wife's desire to have me in visual eye line for 95% of the time we are in the house together and awake.
If she wouldn't have a fit about that, this would be a complete non issue - I'd have a second TV in another part of the house and we'd see each other for about 1 hour a day (for dinner), except when we leave the house together to do things.
No, none of that matters. If you were willing to keep watching shows the way that you do now, nothing would change except the cost savings. Your wife is a red herring here. All that matters is why paying a lot for crippled shows makes you willing to do something that saving money for uncrippled you'd be unwilling to keep doing.
and I would basically have to give up TV for 6+ months to get there.
And the fact that things like Jeopardy aren't on Netflix or any streaming service.. something she wants...but, as already stated.. we will be giving this a try soon. so she's giving that up anyhow.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
Sure, but you get that even worse the way that you do things now. that's what I don't understand. Netflix only makes this better in every way, there is no worse.
eh? how is it better - other than forcing myself to only watch one episode a week? So assuming I binge it, it's still 12 more months until Netflix gets the next season, so ...
But you don't have to binge. You can't binge now, so even having the option to is purely a bonus. What you are doing today is not taken away, only more, better options are made available. There is no downside. Costs less, no options lost.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
hold the phone, it's not me - remember, this whole situation stems from my wife's desire to have me in visual eye line for 95% of the time we are in the house together and awake.
If she wouldn't have a fit about that, this would be a complete non issue - I'd have a second TV in another part of the house and we'd see each other for about 1 hour a day (for dinner), except when we leave the house together to do things.
No, none of that matters. If you were willing to keep watching shows the way that you do now, nothing would change except the cost savings. Your wife is a red herring here. All that matters is why paying a lot for crippled shows makes you willing to do something that saving money for uncrippled you'd be unwilling to keep doing.
and I would basically have to give up TV for 6+ months to get there.
This is based on a few really bad assumptions.
- That Netflix has no content of its own.
- That you current watch all television that exists.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
Sure, but you get that even worse the way that you do things now. that's what I don't understand. Netflix only makes this better in every way, there is no worse.
eh? how is it better - other than forcing myself to only watch one episode a week? So assuming I binge it, it's still 12 more months until Netflix gets the next season, so ...
But you don't have to binge. You can't binge now, so even having the option to is purely a bonus. What you are doing today is not taken away, only more, better options are made available. There is no downside. Costs less, no options lost.
did you miss the part about not having enough self control to not binge - is that blunt enough?
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
hold the phone, it's not me - remember, this whole situation stems from my wife's desire to have me in visual eye line for 95% of the time we are in the house together and awake.
If she wouldn't have a fit about that, this would be a complete non issue - I'd have a second TV in another part of the house and we'd see each other for about 1 hour a day (for dinner), except when we leave the house together to do things.
No, none of that matters. If you were willing to keep watching shows the way that you do now, nothing would change except the cost savings. Your wife is a red herring here. All that matters is why paying a lot for crippled shows makes you willing to do something that saving money for uncrippled you'd be unwilling to keep doing.
and I would basically have to give up TV for 6+ months to get there.
This is based on a few really bad assumptions.
- That Netflix has no content of its own.
- That you current watch all television that exists.
Very little that we agree upon. Which again is the whole point - shows must be something we will both watch.. otherwise it doesn't matter.
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
Sure, but you get that even worse the way that you do things now. that's what I don't understand. Netflix only makes this better in every way, there is no worse.
eh? how is it better - other than forcing myself to only watch one episode a week? So assuming I binge it, it's still 12 more months until Netflix gets the next season, so ...
But you don't have to binge. You can't binge now, so even having the option to is purely a bonus. What you are doing today is not taken away, only more, better options are made available. There is no downside. Costs less, no options lost.
did you miss the part about not having enough self control to not binge - is that blunt enough?
Did you miss the part where I kept pointing out that you HAVE that self control now, that is what is keeping you from binging today, but you do it in a weird way that involves paying someone a lot of money to dole out your shows for you?
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@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
Having a show to binge, all the shows are just there, basically kills the schedule. You might be the type to set down and do a ridged schedule like that, but I am not.
This is what I'm saying. I hear you, and I'm just translating... you are paying someone to take away the binge option. You have the willpower to pay someone to take away the way that you want to watch television and force you to watch it in a way you like less.
What I don't understand is... if you like it less, why do it?
hold the phone, it's not me - remember, this whole situation stems from my wife's desire to have me in visual eye line for 95% of the time we are in the house together and awake.
If she wouldn't have a fit about that, this would be a complete non issue - I'd have a second TV in another part of the house and we'd see each other for about 1 hour a day (for dinner), except when we leave the house together to do things.
No, none of that matters. If you were willing to keep watching shows the way that you do now, nothing would change except the cost savings. Your wife is a red herring here. All that matters is why paying a lot for crippled shows makes you willing to do something that saving money for uncrippled you'd be unwilling to keep doing.
and I would basically have to give up TV for 6+ months to get there.
This is based on a few really bad assumptions.
- That Netflix has no content of its own.
- That you current watch all television that exists.
Very little that we agree upon. Which again is the whole point - shows must be something we will both watch.. otherwise it doesn't matter.
So you actually feel that all shows that you could agree upon have been watched and that moving to other media wouldn't add any new potential shows? That seems extreme. Possible, but extreme.
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Also, you can consider filling the gap with movies.
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@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
@scottalanmiller said in YouTube TV:
@dashrender said in YouTube TV:
When House of cards dropped on Netflix, I thought it was kinda cool - bam binge watch awesome, no waiting... but after 2-5 days of watching, now I get to wait 12 months for the next installment. That's to long for me personally.
Sure, but you get that even worse the way that you do things now. that's what I don't understand. Netflix only makes this better in every way, there is no worse.
eh? how is it better - other than forcing myself to only watch one episode a week? So assuming I binge it, it's still 12 more months until Netflix gets the next season, so ...
But you don't have to binge. You can't binge now, so even having the option to is purely a bonus. What you are doing today is not taken away, only more, better options are made available. There is no downside. Costs less, no options lost.
did you miss the part about not having enough self control to not binge - is that blunt enough?
Did you miss the part where I kept pointing out that you HAVE that self control now, that is what is keeping you from binging today, but you do it in a weird way that involves paying someone a lot of money to dole out your shows for you?
how do I have it today? I don't because the shows are coming out now. The show isn't bingable today.. it will be in 7 months.
