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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
You can't get away from the arbitrary failure component. That is the critical piece here. Along with not knowing if the disaster avoidance was the employee or a manager.
Then put that information in the CV. On that one line. Putting on your CV means you did it. Otherwise it should not be on the CV. I want to know what you did. Not what soembody else did.
Right. And Hyper-V is what he did. Savings $100K, both in the creation of the cost, and in the fixing of the cost, were someone else.
Not necessarily. If you read my post I'm saying to say why he use HyperV and gave a possible example why. If it was 'because I was told to'... That's pretty crap.
But the failure was because he was told to, right? Or is he saying that HE was going to screw up and not consolidate, but stopped himself?
No. He stopped not consolidation by doing consolidation.
Sure, but that's meaningless. He stopped failure by not failing.
Yes. And not failing is something to brag about.
Again, this is never true. Ever. You are talking about self sabotage. This is silly in the taxi / wall way.
This is not self sabotage. Telling of your success 'consolidates servers rather than like for like renewal saving x' is a success and shows depth. Saying 'HyperV' doesn't. Why HyperV. How did you decide. Why was gay better? Etc... Those are what I want to see. Not a logical static mindless void giving no information about you or why that word is on the CV at all.
Setting your own bar so low is absolutely self sabotage. You have to make yourself worthless to make such a meaningless avoidance of failure seem impressive in comparison to your personal baseline.
You are showing you have worth that you are able to prevent the failure. SAM land is such a strange place.
So, in Jimmyland, NOT driving your taxi into walls is success. And you think SAM land is weird?
No in my land stopping somebody from driving in to a wall', who was planning to, is a success.
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
You can't get away from the arbitrary failure component. That is the critical piece here. Along with not knowing if the disaster avoidance was the employee or a manager.
Then put that information in the CV. On that one line. Putting on your CV means you did it. Otherwise it should not be on the CV. I want to know what you did. Not what soembody else did.
Right. And Hyper-V is what he did. Savings $100K, both in the creation of the cost, and in the fixing of the cost, were someone else.
Not necessarily. If you read my post I'm saying to say why he use HyperV and gave a possible example why. If it was 'because I was told to'... That's pretty crap.
But the failure was because he was told to, right? Or is he saying that HE was going to screw up and not consolidate, but stopped himself?
No. He stopped not consolidation by doing consolidation.
Sure, but that's meaningless. He stopped failure by not failing.
Yes. And not failing is something to brag about.
Again, this is never true. Ever. You are talking about self sabotage. This is silly in the taxi / wall way.
This is not self sabotage. Telling of your success 'consolidates servers rather than like for like renewal saving x' is a success and shows depth. Saying 'HyperV' doesn't. Why HyperV. How did you decide. Why was gay better? Etc... Those are what I want to see. Not a logical static mindless void giving no information about you or why that word is on the CV at all.
Setting your own bar so low is absolutely self sabotage. You have to make yourself worthless to make such a meaningless avoidance of failure seem impressive in comparison to your personal baseline.
You are showing you have worth that you are able to prevent the failure. SAM land is such a strange place.
So, in Jimmyland, NOT driving your taxi into walls is success. And you think SAM land is weird?
No in my land stopping somebody from driving in to a wall', who was planning to, is a success.
That's what I said. So we agree.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Reality. Just simply reality.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
You can't get away from the arbitrary failure component. That is the critical piece here. Along with not knowing if the disaster avoidance was the employee or a manager.
Then put that information in the CV. On that one line. Putting on your CV means you did it. Otherwise it should not be on the CV. I want to know what you did. Not what soembody else did.
Right. And Hyper-V is what he did. Savings $100K, both in the creation of the cost, and in the fixing of the cost, were someone else.
Not necessarily. If you read my post I'm saying to say why he use HyperV and gave a possible example why. If it was 'because I was told to'... That's pretty crap.
But the failure was because he was told to, right? Or is he saying that HE was going to screw up and not consolidate, but stopped himself?
No. He stopped not consolidation by doing consolidation.
Sure, but that's meaningless. He stopped failure by not failing.
Yes. And not failing is something to brag about.
Again, this is never true. Ever. You are talking about self sabotage. This is silly in the taxi / wall way.
This is not self sabotage. Telling of your success 'consolidates servers rather than like for like renewal saving x' is a success and shows depth. Saying 'HyperV' doesn't. Why HyperV. How did you decide. Why was gay better? Etc... Those are what I want to see. Not a logical static mindless void giving no information about you or why that word is on the CV at all.
Setting your own bar so low is absolutely self sabotage. You have to make yourself worthless to make such a meaningless avoidance of failure seem impressive in comparison to your personal baseline.
You are showing you have worth that you are able to prevent the failure. SAM land is such a strange place.
So, in Jimmyland, NOT driving your taxi into walls is success. And you think SAM land is weird?
No in my land stopping somebody from driving in to a wall', who was planning to, is a success.
That's what I said. So we agree.
Yes, so we agree that saying you stopped a purchase of 16 servers, and instead purchased one and consolidated saving cash is useful. Cool.
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Your approach is to just assume anything, no matter how illogical or unlikely, on a CV is the truth?
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
You can't get away from the arbitrary failure component. That is the critical piece here. Along with not knowing if the disaster avoidance was the employee or a manager.
Then put that information in the CV. On that one line. Putting on your CV means you did it. Otherwise it should not be on the CV. I want to know what you did. Not what soembody else did.
Right. And Hyper-V is what he did. Savings $100K, both in the creation of the cost, and in the fixing of the cost, were someone else.
Not necessarily. If you read my post I'm saying to say why he use HyperV and gave a possible example why. If it was 'because I was told to'... That's pretty crap.
But the failure was because he was told to, right? Or is he saying that HE was going to screw up and not consolidate, but stopped himself?
No. He stopped not consolidation by doing consolidation.
Sure, but that's meaningless. He stopped failure by not failing.
Yes. And not failing is something to brag about.
Again, this is never true. Ever. You are talking about self sabotage. This is silly in the taxi / wall way.
This is not self sabotage. Telling of your success 'consolidates servers rather than like for like renewal saving x' is a success and shows depth. Saying 'HyperV' doesn't. Why HyperV. How did you decide. Why was gay better? Etc... Those are what I want to see. Not a logical static mindless void giving no information about you or why that word is on the CV at all.
Setting your own bar so low is absolutely self sabotage. You have to make yourself worthless to make such a meaningless avoidance of failure seem impressive in comparison to your personal baseline.
You are showing you have worth that you are able to prevent the failure. SAM land is such a strange place.
So, in Jimmyland, NOT driving your taxi into walls is success. And you think SAM land is weird?
No in my land stopping somebody from driving in to a wall', who was planning to, is a success.
That's what I said. So we agree.
Yes, so we agree that saying you stopped a purchase of 16 servers, and instead purchased one and consolidated saving cash is useful. Cool.
Yes. It is useful, compared to being useless.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Your approach is to just assume anything, no matter how illogical or unlikely, on a CV is the truth?
Until I meet them and question them, yes. That's the point of the face to face. To assume it's not the truth is just a bad place to be.
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What we don't know....
- Was there a ton of further money to be saved that wasn't?
- Was even a single server needed?
- Was any of these decisions made by or influenced by the CV writer?
- Was Hyper-V the best or even a good choice among options?
- Was Hyper-V implemented well?
- Was this project timely and handled well?
- Is the company happy with the results?
And all of taht is based on the assumption that the statements are true. If we consider them possibly false, the list grows a lot.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
You can't get away from the arbitrary failure component. That is the critical piece here. Along with not knowing if the disaster avoidance was the employee or a manager.
Then put that information in the CV. On that one line. Putting on your CV means you did it. Otherwise it should not be on the CV. I want to know what you did. Not what soembody else did.
Right. And Hyper-V is what he did. Savings $100K, both in the creation of the cost, and in the fixing of the cost, were someone else.
Not necessarily. If you read my post I'm saying to say why he use HyperV and gave a possible example why. If it was 'because I was told to'... That's pretty crap.
But the failure was because he was told to, right? Or is he saying that HE was going to screw up and not consolidate, but stopped himself?
No. He stopped not consolidation by doing consolidation.
Sure, but that's meaningless. He stopped failure by not failing.
Yes. And not failing is something to brag about.
Again, this is never true. Ever. You are talking about self sabotage. This is silly in the taxi / wall way.
This is not self sabotage. Telling of your success 'consolidates servers rather than like for like renewal saving x' is a success and shows depth. Saying 'HyperV' doesn't. Why HyperV. How did you decide. Why was gay better? Etc... Those are what I want to see. Not a logical static mindless void giving no information about you or why that word is on the CV at all.
Setting your own bar so low is absolutely self sabotage. You have to make yourself worthless to make such a meaningless avoidance of failure seem impressive in comparison to your personal baseline.
You are showing you have worth that you are able to prevent the failure. SAM land is such a strange place.
So, in Jimmyland, NOT driving your taxi into walls is success. And you think SAM land is weird?
No in my land stopping somebody from driving in to a wall', who was planning to, is a success.
That's what I said. So we agree.
Yes, so we agree that saying you stopped a purchase of 16 servers, and instead purchased one and consolidated saving cash is useful. Cool.
Yes. It is useful, compared to being useless.
So... Why have you been disagreeing entirely...
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Your approach is to just assume anything, no matter how illogical or unlikely, on a CV is the truth?
Until I meat them and question them, yes. That's the point of the face to face. To assume it's not the truth is just a bad place to be.
It's not when the statement is a fundamental lie. There is no foundation for a statement like $150K being saved under those conditions. There is no truthful statement to make in that manner because such a valuation cannto be made. So it is a known falsehood.
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
You can't get away from the arbitrary failure component. That is the critical piece here. Along with not knowing if the disaster avoidance was the employee or a manager.
Then put that information in the CV. On that one line. Putting on your CV means you did it. Otherwise it should not be on the CV. I want to know what you did. Not what soembody else did.
Right. And Hyper-V is what he did. Savings $100K, both in the creation of the cost, and in the fixing of the cost, were someone else.
Not necessarily. If you read my post I'm saying to say why he use HyperV and gave a possible example why. If it was 'because I was told to'... That's pretty crap.
But the failure was because he was told to, right? Or is he saying that HE was going to screw up and not consolidate, but stopped himself?
No. He stopped not consolidation by doing consolidation.
Sure, but that's meaningless. He stopped failure by not failing.
Yes. And not failing is something to brag about.
Again, this is never true. Ever. You are talking about self sabotage. This is silly in the taxi / wall way.
This is not self sabotage. Telling of your success 'consolidates servers rather than like for like renewal saving x' is a success and shows depth. Saying 'HyperV' doesn't. Why HyperV. How did you decide. Why was gay better? Etc... Those are what I want to see. Not a logical static mindless void giving no information about you or why that word is on the CV at all.
Setting your own bar so low is absolutely self sabotage. You have to make yourself worthless to make such a meaningless avoidance of failure seem impressive in comparison to your personal baseline.
You are showing you have worth that you are able to prevent the failure. SAM land is such a strange place.
So, in Jimmyland, NOT driving your taxi into walls is success. And you think SAM land is weird?
No in my land stopping somebody from driving in to a wall', who was planning to, is a success.
That's what I said. So we agree.
Yes, so we agree that saying you stopped a purchase of 16 servers, and instead purchased one and consolidated saving cash is useful. Cool.
Yes. It is useful, compared to being useless.
So... Why have you been disagreeing entirely...
Because if you feel that avoiding being useless is a point to brag about, you have set the value of the employee so low that I would put the CV straight in the trash. Clearly, their measure of success is so low, that even being successful, they aren't good enough to hire.
See the issue? You have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. The candidate is so bad, that this modicum of failure avoidance is needed to show that they are not totally useless.
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Or... if a single point of utility in an assumed sea of worthless is considered important, it just shows how worthless the baseline is.
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@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Your approach is to just assume anything, no matter how illogical or unlikely, on a CV is the truth?
Until I meat them and question them, yes. That's the point of the face to face. To assume it's not the truth is just a bad place to be.
It's not when the statement is a fundamental lie. There is no foundation for a statement like $150K being saved under those conditions. There is no truthful statement to make in that manner because such a valuation cannto be made. So it is a known falsehood.
It can be said. If the director is about to sign off on the purchase but the Candidate stopped it and convincing them to change.. that can be said. Along with any savings etc. Who are you to say they lied?!
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Let's look at SAMland and Jimmyland again, because it's kind of useful.
SAMland - we assume numbers without foundation and lies and that people who can't make good decisions also can't evaluate good decisions, but that most people are fundamentally smart enough to be functional
Jimmyland - we assume that nearly all statements are true, but that nearly all people and companies are totally idiotic to the point of incompetence.
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@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
@jimmy9008 said in Resume Critique:
@scottalanmiller said in Resume Critique:
Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Your approach is to just assume anything, no matter how illogical or unlikely, on a CV is the truth?
Until I meat them and question them, yes. That's the point of the face to face. To assume it's not the truth is just a bad place to be.
It's not when the statement is a fundamental lie. There is no foundation for a statement like $150K being saved under those conditions. There is no truthful statement to make in that manner because such a valuation cannto be made. So it is a known falsehood.
It can be said. If the director is about to sign off on the purchase but the Candidate stopped it and convincing them to change.. that can be said. Along with any savings etc. Who are you to say they lied?!
I'm the person evaluating their statement, in this situation, I am the sole person to determine the truth. Clearly the director can't understand the problem domain enough to know what savings vs. failure looks like, and the candidate had to work for that person and their perspective is coloured by their impression of intent from someone other than them.
Also, your statement is based on assumptions that dont' exist in the scenario.
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You can't get away from the arbitrary failure component. That is the critical piece here. Along with not knowing if the disaster avoidance was the employee or a manager.
Then put that information in the CV. On that one line. Putting on your CV means you did it. Otherwise it should not be on the CV. I want to know what you did. Not what soembody else did.
Right. And Hyper-V is what he did. Savings $100K, both in the creation of the cost, and in the fixing of the cost, were someone else.
Not necessarily. If you read my post I'm saying to say why he use HyperV and gave a possible example why. If it was 'because I was told to'... That's pretty crap.
But the failure was because he was told to, right? Or is he saying that HE was going to screw up and not consolidate, but stopped himself?
No. He stopped not consolidation by doing consolidation.
Sure, but that's meaningless. He stopped failure by not failing.
Yes. And not failing is something to brag about.
Again, this is never true. Ever. You are talking about self sabotage. This is silly in the taxi / wall way.
This is not self sabotage. Telling of your success 'consolidates servers rather than like for like renewal saving x' is a success and shows depth. Saying 'HyperV' doesn't. Why HyperV. How did you decide. Why was gay better? Etc... Those are what I want to see. Not a logical static mindless void giving no information about you or why that word is on the CV at all.
Setting your own bar so low is absolutely self sabotage. You have to make yourself worthless to make such a meaningless avoidance of failure seem impressive in comparison to your personal baseline.
You are showing you have worth that you are able to prevent the failure. SAM land is such a strange place.
So, in Jimmyland, NOT driving your taxi into walls is success. And you think SAM land is weird?
No in my land stopping somebody from driving in to a wall', who was planning to, is a success.
That's what I said. So we agree.
Yes, so we agree that saying you stopped a purchase of 16 servers, and instead purchased one and consolidated saving cash is useful. Cool.
Yes. It is useful, compared to being useless.
So... Why have you been disagreeing entirely...
Because if you feel that avoiding being useless is a point to brag about, you have set the value of the employee so low that I would put the CV straight in the trash. Clearly, their measure of success is so low, that even being successful, they aren't good enough to hire.
See the issue? You have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. The candidate is so bad, that this modicum of failure avoidance is needed to show that they are not totally useless.
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Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Your approach is to just assume anything, no matter how illogical or unlikely, on a CV is the truth?
Until I meat them and question them, yes. That's the point of the face to face. To assume it's not the truth is just a bad place to be.
It's not when the statement is a fundamental lie. There is no foundation for a statement like $150K being saved under those conditions. There is no truthful statement to make in that manner because such a valuation cannto be made. So it is a known falsehood.
It can be said. If the director is about to sign off on the purchase but the Candidate stopped it and convincing them to change.. that can be said. Along with any savings etc. Who are you to say they lied?!
I'm the person evaluating their statement, in this situation, I am the sole person to determine the truth. Clearly the director can't understand the problem domain enough to know what savings vs. failure looks like, and the candidate had to work for that person and their perspective is coloured by their impression of intent from someone other than them.
Also, your statement is based on assumptions that dont' exist in the scenario.
Like I said a few times... Let's just disagree on the CV. I personally like to have the reason a word is listed. You I guess dont. So, that's it.
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If the director is about to sign off on the purchase but the Candidate stopped it and convincing them to change.. that can be said.
No, it cannot. It cannot be known. It's a like a quantum state. But here is an example...
Bob goes to Carmax and has many cars from which to choose. The angle on his shoulder says to buy the Ford. The devil on his shoulder tells him to buy the Ferrari. He splits the difference and buys the Corvette.
Did he save $150K? Did he waste $120K?
Two says of stating the same problem. Both are based on "decisions he considered but didn't make." That's never something we can gauge success from.
But what we DO gauge success from is determining externally what "good looks like", in this case we assume that he did need a car and that the Ford was the right answer. So any expenditure over buying the Ford is a waste. So the Corvette is not a $150K savings, but realy a $120K loss.
If you don't know "what good looks like" you can't even talk about cost savings. In this scenario, we have no idea what the right answer is, so we can't tell if money was wasted. We only know what a really bad decision was (the Ferrari) and that that didn't happen. That gives us nothing to work with.
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Normal people avoid all kinds of failures every moment, of every day. Imagine if you bought a Corvette and came home and your wife is furious because you spent $150K that you didn't have, on a car you didn't need. Now explain to her how dumb she is because you ACTUALLY saved $300K by not buying the $450K Ferrari that you also didn't need. Boy will she fill dumb once she realized how much success you had in not buying that Ferrari.
The success would have been on the wife's CV saying 'Saved 100k through purchase of a Ford'. In your example they both failed
How do we know that Hyper-V was not like the Corvette? Nowhere was the business process or success mentioned, only the avoidance of the Ferrari. We have no reason to think that Hyper-V was the right, or even a good choice, only that what other option was considered was worse.
But you've highlighted my point. The "success" is skipped here. We have the Ferrari and the Corvette only in the CV example, never the Ford. So you've caught my point, but I'm not sure you've applied it to the problem at hand.
The fact that the CV writer is saying it's a success and explaining why... Is why.
There is no explanantion and no foundation for calling it a success. Hence my assumption that it is a lie.
It must suck to assume everything is a lie. Pessimist?
Your approach is to just assume anything, no matter how illogical or unlikely, on a CV is the truth?
Until I meat them and question them, yes. That's the point of the face to face. To assume it's not the truth is just a bad place to be.
It's not when the statement is a fundamental lie. There is no foundation for a statement like $150K being saved under those conditions. There is no truthful statement to make in that manner because such a valuation cannto be made. So it is a known falsehood.
It can be said. If the director is about to sign off on the purchase but the Candidate stopped it and convincing them to change.. that can be said. Along with any savings etc. Who are you to say they lied?!
I'm the person evaluating their statement, in this situation, I am the sole person to determine the truth. Clearly the director can't understand the problem domain enough to know what savings vs. failure looks like, and the candidate had to work for that person and their perspective is coloured by their impression of intent from someone other than them.
Also, your statement is based on assumptions that dont' exist in the scenario.
Like I said a few times... Let's just disagree on the CV. I personally like to have the reason a word is listed. You I guess dont. So, that's it.
I didn't disagree with having a reason. I just said to put on facts, not opinion (and especialy not easily challenged opinion.)
