Witnessing Sexual Harassment
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
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@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
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@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
Ah, I definitely didn't read the entire thread so I very well might be wrong.
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@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
Ah, I definitely didn't read the entire thread so I very well might be wrong.
It'd be nice if I were wrong. It's possible
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
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@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
I obviously missed a large portion of this conversation so I'm going to see myself out....
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@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
What part of what I have said do you disagree with? It doesn't matter what religion, ethnic background or nationality you are a part of--blaming the victim is wrong. As I said, everyone who was there interpreted it the same way.
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
Ah, I definitely didn't read the entire thread so I very well might be wrong.
It'd be nice if I were wrong. It's possible
I think the important bit is... it's possible. I don't think that Jared feels that you are definitely wrong, but the key here is that you could easily be wrong. This is a very difficult area and is cannot be determined by an outside observer and is grey even with inside observers. It's simply not an area where black and white ever exist. There are some really inappropriate factors included in your description like the girl being cute or married - why would those come up as they are totally irrelevant to the situation. That they are mentioned suggests that they are colouring your perception of the situation, for example.
You are easily correct in how you viewed what happened. We only see it through your eyes, had we seen it first hand, we might not have gotten the same impression at all. And even if we had, our impression doesn't tell us anything.
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
What part of what I have said do you disagree with? It doesn't matter what religion, ethnic background or nationality you are a part of--blaming the victim is wrong. As I said, everyone who was there interpreted it the same way.
I never said that what occurred did not occur nor did I say jack shit about blaming the victim. you are again interpreting disparate things in your own way.
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
What part of what I have said do you disagree with? It doesn't matter what religion, ethnic background or nationality you are a part of--blaming the victim is wrong. As I said, everyone who was there interpreted it the same way.
Victim blaming is certainly wrong, the problem is that right now, there is no victim. That lots of outside observers feel it was creepy just doesn't matter. That's not how this works.
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@scottalanmiller said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
What part of what I have said do you disagree with? It doesn't matter what religion, ethnic background or nationality you are a part of--blaming the victim is wrong. As I said, everyone who was there interpreted it the same way.
Victim blaming is certainly wrong, the problem is that right now, there is no victim. That lots of outside observers feel it was creepy just doesn't matter. That's not how this works.
So her being visibly distressed and uncomfortable does not make her a victim, even though she confirmed this is the way she felt after. I guess my question is, who gets to decide what a victim is in this scenario: you or her?
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@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
What part of what I have said do you disagree with? It doesn't matter what religion, ethnic background or nationality you are a part of--blaming the victim is wrong. As I said, everyone who was there interpreted it the same way.
I never said that what occurred did not occur nor did I say jack shit about blaming the victim. you are again interpreting disparate things in your own way.
So again: What part of what I have said do you disagree with? My opinion is literally her opinion
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@jaredbusch said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@quixoticjeremy said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@coliver said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@emad-r said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
What part of what I have said do you disagree with? It doesn't matter what religion, ethnic background or nationality you are a part of--blaming the victim is wrong. As I said, everyone who was there interpreted it the same way.
I never said that what occurred did not occur nor did I say jack shit about blaming the victim. you are again interpreting disparate things in your own way.
So again: What part of what I have said do you disagree with? My opinion is literally her opinion
Anything I say that does not agree with the morals that you are imposing on the situation will be taken as a hostile response and I don't give a shit about any of the other parties involved enough to deal with that.
I have only ever responded directly about your actions.
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in that room saw it exactly a
Let her report it then, even in the middle east where i live if this happens the women will report it.
but what is weird here abit, that only recently got revoked is that if you raped a woman and married her you will not be punished, cause you corrected your mistake by marrying her.
What woman would willingly marry the man who raped them? Does the woman even have a choice?
I get the impression that you haven't read the thread. I've provided multiple reasons for why it wouldn't be good.
Fire alarms going off i have to leave the building.
Well, its cause of shame factor and family factor it wont be really a choice for her. God Bless this country.
But it got revoked this ruling in Lebanon and Jordan a month ago. But we still have load of shitty rules.
That's serious injustice to shame a woman who was raped
It's pretty common in the US as well.
It's hard to wrap my head around the concept in any country
Not sure why you got a downvote. Victim blaming makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I'm pretty surprised too
I'm going to bet someone misclicked and didn't realize it.
Eh, there has been some very strange comments in this thread. I kind of doubt it
No, the strange part is your insistence that your point of view has to be the right one.
Your morals are most certainly not my morals. Let alone someone of a completely different nationality, ethnic background, and/or religion.
What part of what I have said do you disagree with? It doesn't matter what religion, ethnic background or nationality you are a part of--blaming the victim is wrong. As I said, everyone who was there interpreted it the same way.
Victim blaming is certainly wrong, the problem is that right now, there is no victim. That lots of outside observers feel it was creepy just doesn't matter. That's not how this works.
So her being visibly distressed and uncomfortable does not make her a victim, even though she confirmed this is the way she felt after. I guess my question is, who gets to decide what a victim is in this scenario: you or her?
Correct, it does not. Your observation is irrelevant to that decision.
If she felt like a victim, she's have reported it. Did she? If not, she was placating you. Maybe she felt you were harassing her and wanted to make you happy. We don't know. What we know is... only she can decide if she might be a victim.
Being uncomfortable around someone is not being a victim. My wife is uncomfortable going into restaurants because of all the people. She is not a victim. Even if they come up and talk to her, which also makes her visibly uncomfortable.
You are using lots of descriptions that make it sound one way, but when you actually read what you are saying, we can't know if anything bad happened. Did he make an advance? Doesn't sound like it. Did he do anything that isn't culturally normal in a lot of cultures? Doesn't sound like it. Sexual harassment is a specific thing, and nothing you describe is enough to know if that happened and her feeling like it happened isn't enough, either.
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
I guess my question is, who gets to decide what a victim is in this scenario: you or her?
Feeling like a victim and being a victim are not the same thing. Is she a victim? We don't know. We know that your description doesn't say that she is, we know that her feeling uncomfortable is a totally different thing, we know that things that will emotionally make you (and her) likely to perceive normal interactions as advances were brought up inappropriately...
Think of it this way. What if you beat this guy up or reported him for sexual harassment. Your are well intentioned, right? You are doing it for good reasons, right?
Now wait till this story gets told from yet another observer who thinks she is cute or whatever and sees your reaction and talks about how you threatened a poor sales guy and took it upon yourself to be the "knight in shining armor" to impress her and decides that your actions are sexual harassment - because why wouldn't they be? You are reacting to her being a girl - would you treat an old, ugly guy that was single getting the same treatment from a cute sales girl the same way, if not, why not? Your response might easily make her uncomfortable, even scared.
Welcome to the world of sexual harassment, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
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@scottalanmiller Unwanted physical contact is sexual harassment. She is a victim of sexual harassment.
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@wirestyle22 said in Witnessing Sexual Harassment:
@scottalanmiller Unwanted physical contact is sexual harassment. She is a victim of sexual harassment.
That's simply not the case and your attitude here makes me feel that the situation is not clear cut. People make physical contact all day long. "Unwanted" means nothing. Are you saying anyone shaking hands with someone that doesn't want to shake hands is sexual harassment? You are making your own totally false definition here. Howie Mandel having to shake someone's hand is not being sexually harassed, that's not what sexual means (nor harassed.)
You've gone from "this kind of looks like maybe something like this" to "she's a victim." That's not how this works.
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Some people claim that holding doors open for other people is sexual harassment because it is an unwanted sexual advance. Yet normal, polite people, know that we often hold doors open for people we don't even know who they are, we just know someone is following us through a door.
By the definition of "unwanted physical contact" we get weird things like you are sexually harassing your chair because the chair has no capacity to invite the contact. The idea that humans have no contact physically with each other is a weird American sub-culture thing and the idea that women are to be isolated and kept free from normal contact that men have is, itself, very inappropriate.
Is it possible that she's a victim? Of course. This thread has convinced me that there is very little chance of that, though.
