Zertø Virtual Replication
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@bigbear said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
So Veeam free for Server 2016 as an agent and then you buy Veeam? for your server/repository?
Yes, or back up to local disk. The agent is available in a limited form for free. But that's not what you want. You want the Hyper-V agentless version, not a Windows agent for each VM.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Isn't Zerto the one that is unstable and can corrupt your storage because it depends on a deprecated and never production released kernel hook - so its' not a supported product. It's a big deal that Veeam just released something like this because Veeam is the first to do it with Vmware support. Zerto has been doing it and has been done to down VMware from messing with the kernel in inappropriate ways.
Yah they were corrupting data on NFS by re-writing SCSI Sense codes. They also don't use a supported API and are abusing an old security API that is deprecated. They can crash a host pretty easily too because of it.
They are not working within the VMware TAP framework as a supported product, and refuse to provide VMware GSS or engineering with any documentation of what they are doing, like how other TAP partners work. The are a bad apple in the ecosystem and with Veeam offering VAIO support I expect them to loose market share quickly.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@JaredBusch said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Have any of you looked at Zertø?
I just found someone using it and they love it.
https://www.zerto.com/zerto-virtual-replication-version-5-0/
I saw them at Pure//Accelerate and they say that they are more for replication, similar to Veeam, but solely focus on replication. They say that they do it faster because of their proprietary compression and deduplication of the data on the way to the secondary site.
I've never used them before, so take that with a grain of salt.
Veeam is matching them on RPO time by using a SUPPORTED API that is stable called VAIO. The feature support was announced at VeeamOn.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option. -
VMware's support stance on Zerto.
Zerto corrupting data on Nutanix
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/10/zerto_5_u2_fixes_nutanix_data_write_bug/While my opinions and posts here are my own, my day job is working as a Senior Architect in the VMware Storage and Availability Business Unit. My company builds and supports the API's used for replication (VADP, VAIO) as well as the product vSphere Replication (and SRM used for array and DR run book orchestration and testing).
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@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
You just want Veeam installed on a VM?
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
You just want Veeam installed on a VM?
I was just curious if Veeam offered something like that. Not that I would actually deploy and use it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
This is great for long distance (over the WAN), but when local, I know of no case where you'd use this. You'd always use Starwind instead. Vastly more powerful, same price. Free.
well, unless starwind was not free when I've set up this stuff months ago. they've missed my deadline for a few weeks.
Also, does starwind work on different storages without perf. loss? e.g. ssd/sas raid 10 on main server vs. ORB10 on sata 7.2k drives on replica server (used as failover not HA).Also, yes I'm going to move the stuff offsite. But previous question, while offtopic, still holds.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
well, unless starwind was not free when I've set up this stuff months ago. they've missed my deadline for a few weeks.
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
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@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@John-Nicholson said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@NerdyDad said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
There isn't a Veeam cloud solution yet (I'm sure there will probably be one eventually). But what is not to say that you couldn't have a free Veeam server in Vultr or something?
There is.
Link?
https://www.veeam.com/find-a-veeam-cloud-provider.html
They also are introducing native Cloud Archiving target support (announced at VeeeamOn).
Also you can use Starwinds VTL to Cloud function as another option.But that is for a repository only. I already have one of those with a private cloud hosted by my colocation. I'm talking about a Veeam server that manages backups off prem, such as Vultr or AWS or Azure. Something of that nature.
You just want Veeam installed on a VM?
I was just curious if Veeam offered something like that. Not that I would actually deploy and use it.
But it is just Veeam on a VM... so since Veeam is just software, they've always offered this.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Also, does starwind work on different storages without perf. loss? e.g. ssd/sas raid 10 on main server vs. ORB10 on sata 7.2k drives on replica server (used as failover not HA).
It would turn you into HA for one thing, so that's a big bonus. The only time you'd take a performance hit would be if you have cache misses and you need to wait for write commits. Not sure if you can disable the commit to improve the speed, but that would add some risk. But with the cache, it might be overall faster, rather than slower, depending on cache and workload.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
bloody hell!
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@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
bloody hell!
Yeah, you had to know to ask. But they always gave out free licenses on request
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
Also, does starwind work on different storages without perf. loss? e.g. ssd/sas raid 10 on main server vs. ORB10 on sata 7.2k drives on replica server (used as failover not HA).
It would turn you into HA for one thing, so that's a big bonus. The only time you'd take a performance hit would be if you have cache misses and you need to wait for write commits. Not sure if you can disable the commit to improve the speed, but that would add some risk. But with the cache, it might be overall faster, rather than slower, depending on cache and workload.
you mean their own in RAM cache or HW RAID controller cache? or any other
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
well, unless starwind was not free when I've set up this stuff months ago. they've missed my deadline for a few weeks.
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
officially they were free on 2 node SDS, not hyperconverged [1]. I looked at the site to discover they were officially free if you had a couple of spare servers for SDS. the HC solution has been freed just later.
there was a spiceworks licence but I didn't fit specs.
just discarded them due to official website info
[1] HC or something similar. anyway: HA on 2 nodes with compute + storage on both nodes.
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@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@matteo-nunziati said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
@scottalanmiller said in Zertø Virtual Replication:
They've been unofficially free for a long time and always free on two nodes, I think. Definitely was available.
bloody hell!
Yeah, you had to know to ask. But they always gave out free licenses on request
They told SW people it was free for two nodes. I know they announced it at ML con last year too.
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@JaredBusch I also didn't mind about zerto at the time because my resellers (asked a couple) offered really high prices - but don't remember the specific amount.
