What router are you using at home?
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
Asus AC1900 vs Ubiquiti AC-Lite
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/Performance-Asus-AC1900-vs-Unifi-AC-Lite/td-p/1657284
The page tells you exactly what you would expect, they aren't comparing apples to apples in the test in the OP.
But the OP did not know that. Hence he posted that. Now he knows that the lite model is not full AC speeds.
That just shows a failure of the OP and his testing methods.
How? He tested perfectly.
Sure he tested apples vs oranges i.e. 2 vs 3 as noted in a followup post.
The test itself is fine, but he was asking why UBNT stuff was so much slower. The answer would have been obvious if he had looked up the specs to see he wasn't doing a fair comparison.
This is all very true, but it is also completely not what you said or even implied in your prior posts.
A true and acurate testing method either implies testing apples to apples or requires you to state that you KNOW it's not apples to apples and therefore should anticipate some differences or if not anticipate them, at least not be surprised by them when/if they happen.
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he in fact wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I'll agree that there was a lot of Scott level assumptions in my previous post.
(that anyone reading my post after reading that other thread would have understood everything in the top of this post). -
For anyone interested in the Asus 1900 at $79 here is a link for the Tmobile version which is the same hardware. You can flash the original firmware without issue.
Tmobile Asus AC1900 - $79
Asus Ac1900 - $144Same hardware, etc.
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he, in fact, wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I don't follow you here. He listed the models in the OP so for anyone who wants to look up both models and compare them, they are fully able to do so. It's not like he said Asus vs UBNT as a general statement.
Also, the reason you do testing is to find out if you have apples and oranges. Sometimes manufacturers make claims that arent true and they need to be validated.
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@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he, in fact, wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I don't follow you here. He listed the models in the OP so for anyone who wants to look up both models and compare them, they are fully able to do so. It's not like he said Asus vs UBNT as a general statement.
Also, the reason you do testing is to find out if you have apples and oranges. Sometimes manufacturers make claims that arent true and they need to be validated.
he is whining that someone made an invalid test because they did not understand the specs.
If you actually read the full spec details and understand what it all means, then you would know that these two devices are not the same thing.
Probably because we had to point it out to him in the past.
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@IRJ said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Therefore, this guy's testing method was a failure because he assumed he was testing apples to apples (ac to ac) and he, in fact, wasn't. So if not for the followup post by someone else, someone being new to UBNT gear might also assume that the tester was testing apples to apples, and would get the wrong impression of UBNT gear.
I don't follow you here. He listed the models in the OP so for anyone who wants to look up both models and compare them, they are fully able to do so. It's not like he said Asus vs UBNT as a general statement.
Also, the reason you do testing is to find out if you have apples and oranges. Sometimes manufacturers make claims that arent true and they need to be validated.
he is whining that someone made an invalid test because they did not understand the specs.
If you actually read the full spec details and understand what it all means, then you would know that these two devices are not the same thing.
Probably because we had to point it out to him in the past.
Well, as a matter of fact you did crucify me on this point months ago, but now you're letting this OP'er get away with a test that is not truly valid.
IRJ - seriously? you go out and read the specs of a review to make sure the reviewer of a thing is really comparing apples to apples, ok, well good for you, I guess. Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
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@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all. -
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Well, as a matter of fact you did crucify me on this point months ago, but now you're letting this OP'er get away with a test that is not truly valid.
Because that would be an IT knowledge skill and not something I expect consumers to have.
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@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.Who said that this is widely known? Prove your bias.
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@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.Who said that this is widely known? Prove your bias.
It's pretty widely known when trade publications run articles on the skewed methods or anyone just looks at the products and sees that they compare very limited and very offset products from different vendors. Takes nothing more than common sense and looking at the reviews. Avoiding competitive products so that the chosen products have no competition, for example.
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@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.This is research at a consumer level. You have no grip of reality outside your own point of view.
Are you trying to tell me a consumer is supposed to even know what all those numbers mean?
This is not something a typical consumer should ever need to figure out. Otherwise, they would be leaving the realm of consumer. -
@JaredBusch said in What router are you using at home?:
@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@Dashrender said in What router are you using at home?:
Most people don't. They assume the author to have done this work (as they should) before making a comparison than asking why this product appear inferior.
Then there is only them to blame
Trusting sources like Consumer Reports, widely known to use carefully selected apples to orange comparisons to make their assumed sponsored problems look good it, is just ridiculous and really just a thinly veiled excuse to not bothering to research the product at all.This is research at a consumer level. You have no grip of reality outside your own point of view.
Are you trying to tell me a consumer is supposed to even know what all those numbers mean?
This is not something a typical consumer should ever need to figure out. Otherwise, they would be leaving the realm of consumer.Supposed to? Yes, absolutely. Cares to pay attention or actually cares which is better? No.
That's the difference. I don't think consumers are stupid, just have very different priorities and don't use tools like this, normally, to research but to justify pre-disposed decisions. They use the echo chamber effect to reduce buyer's remorse.
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what about a fritz box? heard really good things. don't know about availability outside europe.
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@matteo-nunziati said in What router are you using at home?:
what about a fritz box? heard really good things. don't know about availability outside europe.
Never seen or heard of it, but I'm pretty out of touch with US stores. What does it do that is special?
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@scottalanmiller said in What router are you using at home?:
@matteo-nunziati said in What router are you using at home?:
what about a fritz box? heard really good things. don't know about availability outside europe.
Never seen or heard of it, but I'm pretty out of touch with US stores. What does it do that is special?
every time someone reviews it or I meet a user, they say/show they have the best throughput of that price range.
it is basically faster than high priced netgears/asus and the so...OS is just ok. Let say that, according to reviews, it is the ubiquiti of the consumer grade HW. Well ubiquiti is so cheap you can even pick it at home but the main target is another.
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@matteo-nunziati said in What router are you using at home?:
OS is just ok. Let say that, according to reviews, it is the ubiquiti of the consumer grade HW. Well ubiquiti is so cheap you can even pick it at home but the main target is another.
Right, why would anyone look at consumer is my question. Sure it can look cool or you really want an all in one, but unless there is a killer feature, once commercial gear is as cheap as consumer, consumer simply gets reclassified as junk (unless there is a special feature.) Because the point of consumer, in most cases, is to be cheap and quality or features sacrificed in order to be cheap.
Like a consumer camera is fine, because it is so much cheaper than a pro camera. But if pro cameras get as cheap or cheaper than consumer ones, consumers ones are just garbage.
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@matteo-nunziati said in What router are you using at home?:
what about a fritz box? heard really good things. don't know about availability outside europe.
As awesome as this thing looks, it is not compatible with US cable networks as we are on standard DOCSIS instead of EuroDOCSIS. Is there a difference? Yes there is. The difference is frequencies at which each of the standards are running at. Where the US is typically going to be in the 400 MHz range, I am not sure where Europe is going to be, but do know that it is not within the same range.
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@NerdyDad said in What router are you using at home?:
@matteo-nunziati said in What router are you using at home?:
what about a fritz box? heard really good things. don't know about availability outside europe.
As awesome as this thing looks, it is not compatible with US cable networks as we are on standard DOCSIS instead of EuroDOCSIS. Is there a difference? Yes there is. The difference is frequencies at which each of the standards are running at. Where the US is typically going to be in the 400 MHz range, I am not sure where Europe is going to be, but do know that it is not within the same range.
And, of course, in the US being "on the fritz" means that something is broken
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I have a SOnicwall TZ 300 at home and I have other homes (Friends and Family) with Ubiquiti EdgeRouter
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@dbeato said in What router are you using at home?:
I have a SOnicwall TZ 300 at home and I have other homes (Friends and Family) with Ubiquiti EdgeRouter
I dealt with a SonicWall for a few years at work. I hated it.
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@matteo-nunziati said in What router are you using at home?:
what about a fritz box? heard really good things. don't know about availability outside europe.
We have them here. Very good all in one.
Not very common but they're here.
