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    • coliverC
      coliver
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      What is generating the costs for the FreePBX system?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @coliver
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        @coliver said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

        What is generating the costs for the FreePBX system?

        Looks like handsets. And maybe some wiring.

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        • coliverC
          coliver @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

          @coliver said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

          What is generating the costs for the FreePBX system?

          Looks like handsets. And maybe some wiring.

          Hmm. Wonder how much of that would have to be done eventually anyway? I imagine that long term cost savings with a Foss PBX would outweigh the initial investment.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @coliver
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            @coliver said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

            @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

            @coliver said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

            What is generating the costs for the FreePBX system?

            Looks like handsets. And maybe some wiring.

            Hmm. Wonder how much of that would have to be done eventually anyway? I imagine that long term cost savings with a Foss PBX would outweigh the initial investment.

            Easier to use, easier to support, no lift and shift down the road.....

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            • coliverC
              coliver @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

              @coliver said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

              @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

              @coliver said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

              What is generating the costs for the FreePBX system?

              Looks like handsets. And maybe some wiring.

              Hmm. Wonder how much of that would have to be done eventually anyway? I imagine that long term cost savings with a Foss PBX would outweigh the initial investment.

              Easier to use, easier to support, no lift and shift down the road.....

              I think these numbers are a bit biased and don't take into account potential savings. Maybe a 5 year cost comparison would be warranted.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                My current phone system looks like this.

                Building 1
                old digital system 60 phones
                Building 2
                VOIP, 39 ten year old phones
                Building 3
                VOIP, 18 two year old phones

                @Dashrender tell me if I got this right.

                Building 1: Legacy Mitel system, supports SIP trunk and 60 digital phones.

                Building 2: VoIP capable Mitel system with 39 SIP phones and SIP Trunk support

                Building 3: VoIP capable Mitel system with 18 SIP phones and SIP Trunk support.

                Not specified 1: How are the 3 systems trunking calls to each other.
                Not specified 2: Are there legacy POTS line in use also.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  The issue with phones is that the current VoIP handsets are not SIP compliant and can't be used with a modern system?

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    So 117 total handsets? How many of those need to be physical?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      Just doing really quick numbers, if you went with standard Sangoma SIP phones (the ones made by the FreePBX people) at default Amazon pricing (no bulk discounts or special rates) that would be under $8,800 to replace all 117 phones. Any old phone that still works will save money, any softphone that can be used will save money.

                      What's generating the $11,000 of unknown costs for option 4?

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                      • coliverC
                        coliver @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                        Just doing really quick numbers, if you went with standard Sangoma SIP phones (the ones made by the FreePBX people) at default Amazon pricing (no bulk discounts or special rates) that would be under $8,800 to replace all 117 phones. Any old phone that still works will save money, any softphone that can be used will save money.

                        What's generating the $11,000 of unknown costs for option 4?

                        I assume that would be infrastructure updates... Running new wires to the location that the digital​, non-sip phones are.

                        But that's just year one costs. The year two costs will be effectively zero. I wonder what the maintenance for the mitel system ends up being.

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                          Just doing really quick numbers, if you went with standard Sangoma SIP phones (the ones made by the FreePBX people) at default Amazon pricing (no bulk discounts or special rates) that would be under $8,800 to replace all 117 phones. Any old phone that still works will save money, any softphone that can be used will save money.

                          What's generating the $11,000 of unknown costs for option 4?

                          That's not a great phone

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                            last edited by

                            @JaredBusch said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                            Just doing really quick numbers, if you went with standard Sangoma SIP phones (the ones made by the FreePBX people) at default Amazon pricing (no bulk discounts or special rates) that would be under $8,800 to replace all 117 phones. Any old phone that still works will save money, any softphone that can be used will save money.

                            What's generating the $11,000 of unknown costs for option 4?

                            That's not a great phone

                            Bare bones for sure, but it works. Have you seen issues with it?

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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch
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                              None of the same girl my phones have gigabit passed through until the $150 model. I simply do not see any good benefit to those low in phones you gain auto provisioning for free and I think one other thing from commercial model for free because

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by JaredBusch

                                @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                @JaredBusch said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                Just doing really quick numbers, if you went with standard Sangoma SIP phones (the ones made by the FreePBX people) at default Amazon pricing (no bulk discounts or special rates) that would be under $8,800 to replace all 117 phones. Any old phone that still works will save money, any softphone that can be used will save money.

                                What's generating the $11,000 of unknown costs for option 4?

                                That's not a great phone

                                Bare bones for sure, but it works. Have you seen issues with it?

                                Specific to the case at hand I was recommending the T46S for the number of buttons to be comparable to their current phones for features

                                Those are 145 @ telephonydepot in bulk

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch
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                                  Soft phones are almost never an actual option for general office workers none of them have spots for all the buttons to replicate a desk phone so you have to train users to put calls on park you have to train users to transfer with codes that shit just does not work in the real world

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                    @JaredBusch said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                    None of the same girl my phones have gigabit passed through until the $150 model. I simply do not see any good benefit to those low in phones you gain auto provisioning for free and I think one other thing from commercial model for free because

                                    I hope that that is Siri talking.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                      None of the same girl my phones have gigabit passed through until the $150 model. I simply do not see any good benefit to those low in phones you gain auto provisioning for free and I think one other thing from commercial model for free because

                                      I hope that that is Siri talking.

                                      Yeah S a in GOM a

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
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                                        I agree with Jared that using soft phones as the only replacement just isn't practical.

                                        Ignoring the lack of features on most soft phones, user training would be a huge burden.

                                        For the few users who are constantly traveling, sure give them a soft phone in addition to their office phone.

                                        But the simple approach is a physical phone.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          That's why I only mentioned softphones for some cases.

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
                                            last edited by

                                            @JaredBusch said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                            @Dashrender said in Sunk Cost Fallacy?:

                                            My current phone system looks like this.

                                            Building 1
                                            old digital system 60 phones
                                            Building 2
                                            VOIP, 39 ten year old phones
                                            Building 3
                                            VOIP, 18 two year old phones

                                            @Dashrender tell me if I got this right.

                                            Building 1: Legacy Mitel system, supports SIP trunk and 60 digital phones.

                                            Building 2: VoIP capable Mitel system with 39 SIP phones and SIP Trunk support

                                            Building 3: VoIP capable Mitel system with 18 SIP phones and SIP Trunk support.

                                            Not specified 1: How are the 3 systems trunking calls to each other.
                                            Not specified 2: Are there legacy POTS line in use also.

                                            Close
                                            Building 1: Legacy Inter-tel, no clue if supports SIP trunk, 60 digital phones (I assume is support some form of IP based phone communication as it uses IP to transfer calls between the three different currently installed systems - presumably SIP)

                                            Building 2: yes

                                            Building 3: yes

                                            Not specified 1: The Inter-tel/Mitels have their own integration solution to talk to each other. They are fully aware of all extensions, etc on the other switches.

                                            Not specified 2: Yes, there are POTS lines in all three buildings, and some of those lines run through the PBX in their building.

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